Hazare's fast and its Impact

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The 'chalta hai', 'india hai', 'what can we do', 'nobody cares', 'who cares even if we care', etc etc attitude wont change unless there is a radical/revolutionary out break. Something where people will play a part apart from just a spectator and supporter.

just my opinion.
 
you should always attack the problem behind this corruption , that would be criminals who are elected to power , so just disqualify all the politicians with criminal records .. simples
 
letmein said:
Yeah, the naxals are doing wonders for their states aren't they?
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completely depends upon what you look at...:

The Cause

or The outcome?

outcome may vary and if you judge by outcome then your opinion will vary too with the outcome.

Best example is indian cricket...

India wins, we all our proud...!!

The same crowd that criticized Dhoni with "He shouldn't be the captain", "What has he done in the WC" until india won...

Then their opinion changed to "He deserved it all along"

It is like "We support only if you can get positive results!!"

as much as celebration and fuel burning was there on that night when india won..i wouldn't be surprised to see the same crowd vandalizing the public property...this was the same drunken, high on sugar and victory population. Some were happy that SL lost..for more than India won...

The negative outcome is that we discredit and insult them despite of efforts if they fail.. We blame our own players and politicians more than crediting the opposition for their brilliance and efforts.
 
I guess We should all support the activity.

Be positive guys Everyone tries to be Hero by posting his own point of view.

We would have been still under British Raj, If people like gandi,subash didn't come up.

Comments like

"Nothing going to happen" ,"The entire system is corrupt " makes no sense.We have our glorious past .We did it 50 years ago and We have to do it this time.
 
pinga123 said:
We have our glorious past .We did it 50 years ago and We have to do it this time.
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I appreciate your views and would really like if it could be possible to do that now... :)

60 years ago, people didn't think in terms of money as they do now. Back then, every minute spent for anything was not calculated in terms of money.

Honesty and selflessness was a virtue that most people possessed unlike today. 'Time is Money' is the attitude of people today. It was not so back then.

Oral contracts were honored back then... Now a days, we see people breaching even written contracts! Mentality of people has changed... Dishonesty and Selfishness is the new norm.

Unfortunately, today in a democracy, every individual has become a unit of his own housing/family. All people bother about is whether anything new disturbs them or their interests.

If that doesn't happen, they give it a pass... :(
 
60 years ago, people didn't think in terms of money as they do now. Back then, every minute spent for anything was not calculated in terms of money.

Honesty and selflessness was a virtue that most people possessed unlike today. 'Time is Money' is the attitude of people today. It was not so back then.

Oral contracts were honored back then... Now a days, we see people breaching even written contracts! Mentality of people has changed... Dishonesty and Selfishness is the new norm.
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Time is money, nothing wrong with that. It has absolutely no relation to the corruption, infact if we actually valued efficiency (which translates into time=money) then corruption would not exist.
 
Aces170 said:
Time is money, nothing wrong with that. It has absolutely no relation to the corruption, infact if we actually valued efficiency (which translates into time=money) then corruption would not exist.
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You are taking it in the wrong sense.

It is like this:

I go to a Govt. Office for some work. Just to save my time (which I think is money), I bribe the officer to get my work done instantly.

Here my calculation is that the time saved is worth much more (in monetary terms) than the bribe paid for saving that time.

And then how can you say that it has no relation to corruption??
 
Civil War is not the answer atleast not in the country as diverse as India... Hazare's non violent might actually show some result cause of the media exposure it is generating.

Example - ULFA -Total failure from their cause. All they did was cause violence and hamper development of Assam. Common man was the ultimate loser.
NSCN - Same as ULFA. Nagaland is one of the most backward states cause of them.
Maoist - Violence, Under development (Blowing up schools, Mobile towers, development projects and so on)

Best example of civil war causing more destruction than anything positive are African countries like Somalia, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Congo and our neighbour Sri Lanka...

Nothing comes out of these Violent uprisings... well maybe a little decrese in population :P.... Other than that nothing

I support Hazare... His efforts are much better than anyone else...
 
nehaladsul said:
You are taking it in the wrong sense.

It is like this:

I go to a Govt. Office for some work. Just to save my time (which I think is money), I bribe the officer to get my work done instantly.

Here my calculation is that the time saved is worth much more (in monetary terms) than the bribe paid for saving that time.

And then how can you say that it has no relation to corruption??
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You are mistaken buddy, they are already well paid to do this in time, via incometax to govt revenues to their salaries.
Secondly try to get a work done without bribe its almost impossible, so its not a way to accelerate, its mandatory, so u cant skip bribing, just say a better bribe can save you time.
 
avi said:
Why neha ? Well, I don't know much about the matter, but this guy made quite a name in facebook too, getting lots of request to 'like' his page
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Issues of national importance are not judged by the number of 'fans' or 'followers' or 'likes' on social networks. It is alarming how sites like Facebook have made an entire generation of people mistake online petitions to be an apt replacement for physical presence in a country like ours where the reach of the electronic media is anything but widespread.
 
I go to a Govt. Office for some work. Just to save my time (which I think is money), I bribe the officer to get my work done instantly.

Here my calculation is that the time saved is worth much more (in monetary terms) than the bribe paid for saving that time.
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The whole issue arises due to the reason for you to go the government office, if the market (here I mean the political and judicial system) is working efficiently, there would be no reason to go to government office. You are mixing up cause and effect, you cannot blame all of it on the value of time.

I would bribe the government official to get my work done, and not bribing him is gonna make me lose money, which if applied to all the citizens in combination will make me lose GDP. The solution is to eliminate the bottleneck, and not in-action (in this case the reason for me going to the babu).

The last thing we all want is nobody doing anything, which will happen when you do not bribe the government official. You will not get the job done, he has no incentive to get job done, we all lose.
 
nehaladsul said:
Neway, I do have to say that you are absolutely spot on when you say that combining all functions in one body is a disaster. :clap:
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I don't think that Hazare & co expects the terms of the Jan Lokpal bill to be taken as is, especially the combining functions part which is an obvious problem. After all I don't think there is anyone who doesn't understand why there needs to be separate bodies for them. From what I understand the Jan Lokpal bill is probably drafted as a list of counterpoints to highlight the toothlessness of the lokpal bills from before.

From Hazare's letter said:
What are we asking for? We are not saying that you should accept the Bill drafted by us. But kindly create a credible platform for discussions . a joint committee with at least half members from civil society suggested by us.
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What I've seen in my experience is that in India if an officer is really rigid about his standards then his subordinates follow suit and it works the same way if he is corrupt; a.k.a the chalta hai attitude. Also, in general people are fine with following rules regardless of whether there is an authority to enforce it or our the country would have descended into chaos already. And since the politicians are at the top of that hierarchy there needs to be an effective method to make them accountable for things they do. So, I can't understand why anyone who is against corruption would not support his effort to bring attention to something which could actually help in reducing corruption.
 
Aces170 said:
The last thing we all want is nobody doing anything, which will happen when you do not bribe the government official. You will not get the job done, he has no incentive to get job done, we all lose.
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net said:
Secondly try to get a work done without bribe its almost impossible, so its not a way to accelerate, its mandatory, so u cant skip bribing, just say a better bribe can save you time.
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You go Left-Right-Right or you go Right-Left-Left... You reach the same place... :P

NOTE: I would like to point out that I do support the Bill (excepting a few clauses) as I have mentioned previously as well. However, I do not and will not support Mr. Hazare for reasons best known to me.
 
try walking and seeing :P

anyway this is how i think it will pan out , anna will fall more and more feeble ,sonia rushes in and saves the day , puts up a committee to check how to go about it , committee sleeps and makes plan for 6 months to a 1 year and all is forgotten
 
kippu said:
try walking and seeing :P

anyway this is how i think it will pan out , anna will fall more and more feeble ,sonia rushes in and saves the day , puts up a committee to check how to go about it , committee sleeps and makes plan for 6 months to a 1 year and all is forgotten
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Probably not, considering what Anna and his supporters have acheived over last 10-12 years in field of government's accountability, particularly in Maharashtra.
 
too much negativity in this thread.

@kippu,
got this in a chain mail.

last time when Anna sat on fast
• 6 corrupt ministers in Maharashtra had to resign
• 400 corrupt officers were dismissed from job
• 2002 - Maharashtra RTI Act was passed
• 2006 - Central Government withdrew its proposal to amend Central RTI Act

found a link for the last event mentioned. did not search for the rest of them.
Anna Hazare calls off fast on RTI amendment - Times Of India

things do change, maybe not as quickly as you want them to.
 
I just signed a petition to stand with Anna Hazare who has committed to fast-unto-death, unless the Indian government endorses the powerful new Jan Lokpal Bill to tackle the plague of corruption. Across the country people are joining this massive public outcry and the pressure is building. Click below to sign:

Avaaz - STAND WITH ANNA HAZARE
Hey many may consider this post as spam, I'll be frank I haven't read the bill, but I like the guy's attitude, whether its a gimmick or not, a fast against corruption cant be a bad thing, I support him. Do sign the petition if you do too, it may or may not help (both hazare's fast, and us signing this) but we have nothing to lose.

regards
 
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