malhotraraul
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BACKGROUND ...................... yes, just in case if you want to get married to someone from his family or someone from his family to yours, then definitely yes !!!!!!!!!!SumitB said:
Hazare's fast and its Impact
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The Indian law won't allow me to marry again so I don't need Hazare's background to marry someone from his family. However, just like I need to know the background of my neta before I vote for him, I need to know the background of my would be neta before I follow him. However, it seems that from where you come, people have a habit for voting or following those who offer money or make false promises. However, all citizens don't follow this. Atleast the people I know, would like to know who they are voting for or following!malhotraraul said:
chiron
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I think it sucks that people are more fixated on Hazare(whether for or against) than the cause he is bringing up.
I do realize that nothing would probably come out of this... maybe the politicians will even figure out a way to twist the bill to make it work for them. However, when people talk about getting rid of corruption and changing the system this is the only idea I've come across that seems like it might work if made a reality. And at the very least a few more people will learn about what Lokpal means and that can't be such a terrible thing can it?
That's why I support Hazare knowing little about his background/personal quirks/ulterior motives and whatnot.
I do realize that nothing would probably come out of this... maybe the politicians will even figure out a way to twist the bill to make it work for them. However, when people talk about getting rid of corruption and changing the system this is the only idea I've come across that seems like it might work if made a reality. And at the very least a few more people will learn about what Lokpal means and that can't be such a terrible thing can it?
That's why I support Hazare knowing little about his background/personal quirks/ulterior motives and whatnot.
malhotraraul
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fortunately or unfortunately we both come from the same place, rather i do not care whether he is fighting corruption or anyone else, i have personally felt & experienced the difference, it is media who creates the hype, from rakhi sawant to poonam pandey.SumitB said:
we all indians hate each other, its in the blood so i will not react to this, we just do not want to appreciate anyone doing good, just want to forward emails about zero being invented in India & pat on our own backs.
Atleast they are determined to bring in some change, violence is something imbibed in then, too deep rooted, so its a lost cause if you want them to stop the bloodshed.letmein said:
pr0ing said:
How many got their jobs back ? Revoking a dismissal after a month past the incident wont generate publicity. I'm not trying to be negative, going by the Anna way won't really yield much, The government might have given in, but im sure its temporary. Remember the Telangana issue ? When are we ever going to see a separate state ? (though I want to see no division) I'm trying to say that promises by politicians are nothing but a lot of hot air.
Sharad Pawar resigns ? You do understand that its more of a relief for him right ? He can now concentrate his money making efforts through the ICC (Easier money in cricket than hoarding onions)
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+1, Only violence can provide an opportunity for a person to voice his opinion, Especially in a country like ours :| (Not being negative, being realistic)broadway said:
malhotraraul
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next time one should turn violent & loot shops, burn public transports, keep private & government offices closed, schools, colleges & hospitals closed, beat up poor civilians & report 100's of casualties.l33t said:
The state isn't exactly gandhian either. The police comes with guns and the army in their tanks. Both come under the authority of the politicians. The pitch is raised. So violence is not a surprise.
Its funny how the people cheered the police stand off in CST with the terrorists. Its the same mumbai police which hustles the people for money for every little FIR filled by them.
The urban indians have no choice but to dance to the tune of the police but when the rural indians take up arms and chase the police away from their regions, suddenly the urban indians have a problem and bad mouth the maoists for standing up.
Its funny how the people cheered the police stand off in CST with the terrorists. Its the same mumbai police which hustles the people for money for every little FIR filled by them.
The urban indians have no choice but to dance to the tune of the police but when the rural indians take up arms and chase the police away from their regions, suddenly the urban indians have a problem and bad mouth the maoists for standing up.
Neo-N
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@ malhotraraul: Look, I have nothing personal against you or Hazare. I know better than anyone else the amount of devotion, dedication and love I have for my nation.
I don't wave flags on 15th August and 26th January, I collect the flags strewn on the streets on 16th August and 27th January...
All I am trying to say is that none of the politicians or social workers of today have what it takes to be great. They are all the same. Corrupt and selfish.
You say that Politicians are scared of Hazare. It is not coz Hazare is great. It is due to the fact that people in India are sentimental, just like you.
They will only see a very old man fasting to death and they will neglect everything else. And people like Hazare take advantage of this.
Tell me, would the scene have been the same had you or me gone on a fast unto death for this lokpal bill?? Would we have received this type of attention from the media and people??
No dear, we would have died fasting and after our deaths, only a very few news channels or papers would have taken note and that too on page 6 or 7.
Each and every part of this is orchestrated. People come out on the streets wearing Gandhi Caps that have 'I am Anna Hazare' printed on them... DO people print these caps at home out of devotion and patriotism??
NO. These caps are provided to them... To generate hype... publicity...
I don't wave flags on 15th August and 26th January, I collect the flags strewn on the streets on 16th August and 27th January...
All I am trying to say is that none of the politicians or social workers of today have what it takes to be great. They are all the same. Corrupt and selfish.
You say that Politicians are scared of Hazare. It is not coz Hazare is great. It is due to the fact that people in India are sentimental, just like you.
They will only see a very old man fasting to death and they will neglect everything else. And people like Hazare take advantage of this.
Tell me, would the scene have been the same had you or me gone on a fast unto death for this lokpal bill?? Would we have received this type of attention from the media and people??
No dear, we would have died fasting and after our deaths, only a very few news channels or papers would have taken note and that too on page 6 or 7.
Each and every part of this is orchestrated. People come out on the streets wearing Gandhi Caps that have 'I am Anna Hazare' printed on them... DO people print these caps at home out of devotion and patriotism??
NO. These caps are provided to them... To generate hype... publicity...
madnav
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judge the cause, not the outcome or the integrity of the personnel.
tomorrow if a serial killer stands up for such a cause then i wont oppose just because "It's a serial killer Dude!!"
the common mentality of brand and value will degrade the living value of a common man...
Don't let your morals stop you from doing what is logically correct.
tomorrow if a serial killer stands up for such a cause then i wont oppose just because "It's a serial killer Dude!!"
the common mentality of brand and value will degrade the living value of a common man...
Don't let your morals stop you from doing what is logically correct.
Neo-N
Herald
I have studied Gandhi but I would not like to comment on him or his ways. I have always been influenced by the Extremist leaders and the extremist side of the freedom struggle.SumitB said:IOff Topic: nehaladusl, would like to hear your personal thoughts about M. K. Gandhi. Unfortunately, going by what the govt. plans, we cannot discuss that man openly anymore.
As such, me commenting on a Moderate who is revered by millions worldwide would not be appropriate. All I would say is that he was right at most times but not always right at all times.
And what makes you so sure that the serial killer is actually turned saint??madnav said:
A serial killer has a better shot at making a farce than any other common person.
Logic is in knowing what the individual is capable of doing... And a serial killer is capable of doing almost anything bad, isn't it??
I would bet no one would like to get his sister or daughter married to a serial killer even though he has turned to good cause...
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Yes, Hospitals are not clean...malhotraraul said:
My Uncle's hospital is the filthiest of the lot as he offers free OPD on every Thursday and the poor and downtrodden from all nearby villages swarm to his hospital just so that they can get free treatment. It can't get any filthier than this, can it??
And it was precisely for this reason that Hazare was chosen for the Inauguration. So that the free medical aid services could be started at the hands of a seemingly devoted social worker. Unfortunately, we were wrong.
As far as following the Gandhian Path and being a follower of Gandhi, looking at your posts that are rude, insensitive and look like they come from a self obsessed person, I see no reason why anyone would feel or think that you are a Gandhian.
But since you call yourself a Gandhian and follower of Gandhi, can you please tell me where exactly has Gandhi advocated calling a fellow Indian as a 'SHAMELESS Indian'?
Sorry for being so in-the-face, but that is exactly how it feels.
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I think this (quoted below) is the evidence that you have provided for proving that you are a Gandhian/Gandhi Follower, is it??
Sorry, I had missed it. Great job mate, Gandhi would be proud of you. :clap:
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madnav
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what i mean to say is that the logic and rational doe not depend upon a person's background. It is a thought that matters. Actions do not matter and neither do the consequences, but intentions do. And that is why Kasab is prosecuted under law instead of direct punishment for deeds.nehaladsul said:
It is like saying intel is Failure because they sold you Pentium D years ago and ATi FTW because apparently you bought the vfm HD4850... be a fact boy not a fan boy...
People can change but facts dont.
Actions and consequences can vary but what matters is the cause...
Neo-N
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Yes, people can change... but the attitude remains.madnav said:
I am not against the cause... I never was. I have said all along that I support the bill subject to certain modifications.
But from what I have seen and known about Hazare, I have reason to believe that what he is doing cannot be a selfless act.
I would be skeptical about the cause if tomorrow Kasab started fasting in Jail demanding better equipment and armor for the Police force, wouldn't I??
Or am I just supposed to neglect his past behavior as he is standing up for a good cause??
I narrated my incident just so that people know that this person is no saint. He is no Gandhi as is being touted by his supporters.
Let people decide for themselves...
To all his supporters: Try getting an appointment with this Gandhi v2.0 of yours. I can bet that you'll have to have contacts (monetary or otherwise) to even have a shot at seeing him, leave alone meeting him.
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So greed is bad ?nehaladsul said:I appreciate your views and would really like if it could be possible to do that now...
60 years ago, people didn't think in terms of money as they do now. Back then, every minute spent for anything was not calculated in terms of money.
Honesty and selflessness was a virtue that most people possessed unlike today. 'Time is Money' is the attitude of people today. It was not so back then.
Oral contracts were honored back then... Now a days, we see people breaching even written contracts! Mentality of people has changed... Dishonesty and Selfishness is the new norm.
Unfortunately, today in a democracy, every individual has become a unit of his own housing/family. All people bother about is whether anything new disturbs them or their interests.
If that doesn't happen, they give it a pass...
Solutions need to take into account the reality on the ground TODAY, not harken back to some bygone era.
Opposing this bill, becaue it has some dodgy areas isn't being negative its asking for better. And no broadway, this isn't a paid post, read the bill yourself.
If some vendor says to you he will send you your order in 5 weeks will you agree or ask that the delivery time be shortened. If you do are you being negaitve of his 'generous' offer ?
Simplify, simplify, simplify.nehaladsul said:
Then where is the need to bribe anyone.
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Not being a marathi, i would like to KNOW why you said that. Spill the beans.nehaladsul said:
Am hoping it wil be more than just his choice of transport, fruit or milk.
Neo-N
Herald
blr_p said:
Greed or the want for money is not bad. It turns bad when we start ignoring the larger needs just so that we can keep up with our own greed.
'I get my daily share of money, why should I bother what the nation does' is the attitude that is wrong.
As for not supporting him, (I am hoping you read the previous posts of mine) it boils down to the fact that he was not a social worker as we had thought him to be. His followers and he literally arm twisted us into doing their bidding.
Money was spent for keeping them happy. Despite all this, on the inauguration day, he came up on stage and claimed that he was a simple social worker who needed just one valkuti
(rug) and a lota (vessel used for drinking water) for his livelihood and that he had devoted every minute of his life to social work... bla bla...
Blatant lies... Sheer cheating of the people... It is the tongue of a two faced person...
This was too much for me atleast... I couldn't digest this... If you can, feel free to consider him the next Gandhi... I for one will not change my stance. Sorry!
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