@DanteErodov Does the CL14 or the CL16 have any noticeable difference in a real world scenario. As in can these differences be perceived ? I have at different times used both of them and could never find any difference in everyday performance ?
21-30k Help with Ryzen Build
- Thread starter lanny25
- Start date
-
- Tags
- ryzen 3600
- Status
DanteErodov
Galvanizer
There is no real perceivable difference to be honest. However, there is some difference if you try to look for it. Moreover, you cannot simply compare CL14 vs C16. It is a combination of both speed as well as timings that matter & are comparable.
You can refer the below article to see how Ryzen behaves at different speed while gaming. If you go through it you'll note that the highest speed RAM are not the fastest & the lowest CL timing RAM is also not the fastest. It is a combination of both high speed & lowest timings that really matter. Also in the conclusion you can see that the sweet spot is usually at 3600Mhz CL16 or 3200MHz CL14 timings & achieving anything above that depends upon a lot of factors including your RAM, motherboard & CPU. Personally I would go with 3200Mhz CL16 kit as those are usually significantly cheaper in our market than 3200MHz CL14 or 3600Mhz CL16 kits & paying a premium of more than 40-50% is simply not worth it & is better spend on upgrading something else in your system.
Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Best RAM for Ryzen (fClock, uClock, & mClock) | GamersNexus
stub Memory speed on Ryzen has always been a hot subject, with AMD’s 1000 and 2000 series CPUs responding favorably to fast memory while at the same time having difficulty getting past 3200MHz in Gen1. The new Ryzen 3000 chips officially support memory speeds up to 3200MHz and can reliably run...
There is no real perceivable difference to be honest. However, there is some difference if you try to look for it. Moreover, you cannot simply compare CL14 vs C16. It is a combination of both speed as well as timings that matter & are comparable.
You can refer the below article to see how Ryzen behaves at different speed while gaming. If you go through it you'll note that the highest speed RAM are not the fastest & the lowest CL timing RAM is also not the fastest. It is a combination of both high speed & lowest timings that really matter. Also in the conclusion you can see that the sweet spot is usually at 3600Mhz CL16 or 3200MHz CL14 timings & achieving anything above that depends upon a lot of factors including your RAM, motherboard & CPU. Personally I would go with 3200Mhz CL16 kit as those are usually significantly cheaper in our market than 3200MHz CL14 or 3600Mhz CL16 kits & paying a premium of more than 40-50% is simply not worth it & is better spend on upgrading something else in your system.
Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Best RAM for Ryzen (fClock, uClock, & mClock) | GamersNexus
stub Memory speed on Ryzen has always been a hot subject, with AMD’s 1000 and 2000 series CPUs responding favorably to fast memory while at the same time having difficulty getting past 3200MHz in Gen1. The new Ryzen 3000 chips officially support memory speeds up to 3200MHz and can reliably run...www.gamersnexus.net
Thanks for the explanations, I have used both RAM's on different machines but never really figured out whats different between the two. Neither system seemed particularly snappy while working/ gaming on them to be honest. After a while i just thought it was more of a cred thing,
manuvikraman
Galvanizer
One of the guy I know have it with him(F4-3600C16D-32GTRGC), was thinking of taking it just wanted to know if it worth it.It is most probably Hynix c die based upon the information present in the below links. Basically anything with GTRG is Samsung B die based upon the first link but based upon the 2nd article, anything ending with an extra "C" on B-die code is actually Hynix C die. The only way to know for sure though is to confirm it with someone who already has it.
B-Die Finder
Find Samsung B-Die DDR 4 memory kits on Amazon, Newegg and many more.benzhaomin.github.io
Hynix C-Die vs Samsung B-Die 2x16GB kits
www.overclock.net
Are you able to find this kit in stock though? Honestly I wouldn't really worry about this as anything with 3600Mz CL16 timings is pretty good to begin with. Also it is very unlikely for you to be able to find Samsung b die kits in India. You can also try searching for 3200 CL14 kits as those are also Samsung B-die and can be easily overclocked to 3600Mz CL16. This is one such kit which used to be available earlier but has not been in stock from quite a while now. https://www.amazon.in/G-SKILL-3200Mhz-PC4-25600-CL14-14-14-34-F4-3200C14D-16GFX/dp/B06XFT7DF9
Edit 1: Found one Samsung B-die, https://www.primeabgb.com/online-pr...16gb-3200-mhz-ddr4-memory-f4-3200c14d-32gtrg/
Edit 2: Found one more Samsung B-die kit,https://www.primeabgb.com/online-pr...16gb-3200mhz-ddr4-memory-f4-3200c14q-64gtzsw/
Also, I been trying to get the flare for some time, likewise never seen in the stock.
Thanks a lot for explaining.
if you haven't bought already, I'd recommend this case. It has the best temps after Lancool II Mesh - https://mdcomputers.in/lian-li-lancool-215-black.html
..:: Free Radical ::..
Forerunner
Sorry for the noobish question at the end of such a technical discussion
but I'm getting G.Skill Sniper X 3600mhz CL19 2*8gb locally for 5.5k. Do you think I should go for it? Or should I specifically look for 3200 CL16 ?Is it possible to run this 3600 CL19 kit at 3200 CL16?
Wait for Dante's or others' response.
I don't know about that particular kit and what die it uses or how it overclocks. But 3600Mhz Cl19 has a latency of 10.5 nano seconds. And 3200Mhz CL16 has a latency of 10ns--so this is marginally better. This probably translates to 0.5% performance increase and 0.8% better 1% lows in games. Depending on the game, performance gain can vary from 0.5% to 1.5% for every 1ns you shave off. Here, between the two kits the difference is just .5ns.
And 3200 CL16 = 3600 CL18
Ideally I would want 3600 CL16.
You also need bandwidth, so you shouldn't be clocking it down to 3200 just to tighten the timings. You need to optimize everything to get the best performance. If you are on Ryzen then 1:1 ratio is what you should aim for, while being balanced about RAM speed and timing. Wait for someone with experience in this regard if you want a detailed explanation or watch a couple of video about infinity fabric ratio.
And finally I didn't answer your question about if you should go for it lol. Better wait for someone else. If you are not gonna tweak much and run it at stock it seems like a good price for 16gb. You can probably run it at 3600 CL18 at the very least, which is not bad.
Last edited:
DanteErodov
Galvanizer
I think you should go ahead with your purchase specially at that price point as the real word difference between them wouldn't be noticeable at all & that is a very good price IMO.Sorry for the noobish question at the end of such a technical discussion
Is it possible to run this 3600 CL19 kit at 3200 CL16?
Technically it should be possible to run the kit at 3200 CL16 speeds but at the end of the day it is a luck of the draw & really depends upon multiple factors including but not limited to the memory itself, the processors memory controller, your motherboard as well as your own overclocking/tuning capability/experience. Like a said earlier, I really wouldn't worry about it. Although if you really like tinkering with stuff & want to squeeze that last bit of performance, you should try to keep the memory speed at 3600MHz itself & try to bring down the CL timings to as low as possible. You can use something like Ryzen DRAM calculator, https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/, to get an idea of the timings that your memory might be able to get to & use it as a reference. Also google what's the max performance/tuning people are able to achieve on that particular kit beforehand just to keep your expectations in check.
I may be late to suggest, but if you can find Crucial Ballistix Sport LT which is E-die memory and extremely good performing overclocker. I have bought 2 sticks of 3000MHz CL15 and running them at 3600Mhz CL16 comfortably !Sorry for the noobish question at the end of such a technical discussion
Is it possible to run this 3600 CL19 kit at 3200 CL16?
TPS Tech usually has loads of Ballistix in stock but apparently just one model is available and it costs a pretty penny
Can you link? Are you referring to the RGB one here https://www.tpstech.in/products/cru...top-gaming-memory?_pos=1&_sid=1dcad700e&_ss=r They don't mention the product code for some reason and I'm skeptical of the "15-16-16-35", it's probably a CL 16.
They dont have Sport LT though. In fact, TheITWares has (the only one AFAIK), but given the lockdown in MH now, I've decided to wait. I made a post asking about ITwares' reliability here https://techenclave.com/threads/reliablity-of-online-tech-stores.182867/#post-2263270
Amazon's Appario had exactly what I wanted a couple of days back, 3600 CL16 but just one, if only they had 2 of those I'd have pulled the trigger without thinking. Even that 1 stick is gone now, can't find it. Ballistix is basically out of stock virtually everywhere--3200Mhz+
Last edited:
DanteErodov
Galvanizer
Hey, don't sweat about this stuff, it really isn't a big deal. On the bright side, I found this reddit thread where folks are talking about your specific kit that you could get for 5.5k. As per the discussion, it seems like it could run at around 3600MHz CL16 with some tuning so take a look.Ballistix Sport LT 3200 was available for a short period on Tuesday on TPS Tech for 3499. I spent too much time thinking if this is good or not and missed out
They had it a month or two before when I checked. Friend bought 16gbx2 ddr4 3200 sport LT from them for 10k something. They had stocks of 8gb stick then too
Damn that's a good price!
I've messaged their support, let me see when they're gonna restock. I thought LT was discontinued but hmmm....
Finalized and obtained the below components so far :
CPU : Ryzen 5 3600
Mobo : Asrock B450M Pro 4
RAM : G.Skill Sniper X 3600 8gb*2
Hunting for PSU and Case Now.
For PSU Have a suggestion for Silverstone ST60F, another option is Cooler Master GX II 650W Bronze available for 3k in the Buy/Sell Section, which one do you guys recommend? Or any other recommendations for a PSU.
CPU : Ryzen 5 3600
Mobo : Asrock B450M Pro 4
RAM : G.Skill Sniper X 3600 8gb*2
Hunting for PSU and Case Now.
For PSU Have a suggestion for Silverstone ST60F, another option is Cooler Master GX II 650W Bronze available for 3k in the Buy/Sell Section, which one do you guys recommend? Or any other recommendations for a PSU.
DanteErodov
Galvanizer
I would suggest CM MWE 550 Bronze V2. Costs around your budget at ~ 3.5k & has 5 years of warranty. Link: https://www.pcstudio.in/product/cooler-master-mwe-550-bronze-v2-psu/
Or if you want something more powerful & semi-modular, you could look at Antec NeoEco 650M 80 Plus Bronze at around 4.7k here https://www.amazon.in/Antec-NE650M-650W-MODULAR-PSU/dp/B0716GK7Z6/
Ordered the MWE 550 Bronze V2. Finally coming to the case, thinking b/w Silverstone FARA R1, Lianli Lancool 215 or the Chiptronex HX1000. R1 is cheaper but only has 1 rear fan included, Chiptronex has 3 fans and is quite cheap as well, getting it at ~3400 bucks but not very confident about the looks and build quality, any other cost effective but elegant suggestions?
Last edited:
- Status