Karnataka Elections 2018

Just out of curiosity with no political prejudice...

Do we know what worked out well and what did not during the last 5 years of congress rule in the state ?

Top of the mind - the Lingayat division which i believe was championed by Siddaramaiah did not work, apparently.

Secondly, the populist programmes were popular amongst the poor, leading to support for Congress.
 
BSY swearing in ceremony tomorrow..
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BSY, The most corrupt CM in the history of Karnataka as per Amit Shah. Its interesting how they apply different rules to different states when looking at Goa vs Karnataka. In Goa, they had no qualms about letting BJP form govt with bought out MLA's, but in Karnataka, they are being allowed to form it even without majority. They will horse trade or use threats and blackmail to get more MLA's on their side. We also know where all the cash that was meant to be in ATM's disappeared considering the kind of money being used for the horse trading.

In any case, Modi and Amit Shah have least proven repeatedly that the worst scoundrels of the lot like themselves will always get the most votes in this country. Earlier it was congress and now its BJP turn. The only real cure for this country at this point is that some natural disaster or disease would wipe out 80-90% of the population so that it cans start over again.
 
they had no qualms about letting BJP form govt with bought out MLA's
So long as he can pass a confidence test within 15 days. If he can then he remains CM

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Well, That was not how it happened in Goa, is it? Congress was never invited to form govt and show its majority in 15 days. Now, congress + JD(S) is clearly showing their majority, but BJP is asked to form govt and given 15 days time. Not only can they use money, but since they also will have power in the state which they can use to coerce a few into submission through various means.
 
I know its not a closed chapter, I am asking why it was Manoj who was made CM and had to show majority in Goa through floor test, but in Karnataka, it is BSY who is being made CM instead of HDK or whoever the JD(S) + cong proposes. You know floor test can also be conducted after making HDK the CM? Whey the difference in treatment between the two states and in favor of BJP in both?

In any case, I blame the people more than any political party for the plight of india. If they are voting for people who will buy or can be bought out for money, then they deserve all the ill treatment they get.
 
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Party with the largest number of seats gets invited.

The IE article says BJP had the numbers to form government faster than Congress. In Goa and Manipur. But that isn't clear as yet in Karnataka hence the floor test

The SC court is likely to become involved here as well so lets see what happens
 
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Party with largest number of seats in Goa was congress with 17. BJP has only 13 and neither had majority. Yet, BJP was invited to form govt based on their claim of having majority after including the independents and and then do floor test.
In Karnataka, Congress + JD(S) is the same situation now, but BJP is given the first opportunity.
 
Party with largest number of seats in Goa was congress with 17. BJP has only 13 and neither had majority. Yet, BJP was invited to form govt based on their claim of having majority after including the independents and and then do floor test.
Right. Congress didn't have the numbers, in time.

Is there a time factor involved here. First who can prove numbers wins ?

There is also this element of discretion on the part of the governor

In Karnataka, Congress + JD(S) is the same situation now, but BJP is given the first opportunity.
What do you make of this ?


Congress isn't batting with the full 78 in this post poll alliance with the JDS ?[DOUBLEPOST=1526508034][/DOUBLEPOST]Manish is questioning the manner in which this so called letter has been released. That is the only source that invites BJP to form the govt. Nothing else official seems to have been put out by the governors office


I said this was going to be tricky
 
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Right. Congress didn't have the numbers, in time.

BJP doesn't have the numbers now. Don't argue just for the sake of arguing.

Also,

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bs-...efore-oath-centres-justification-in-c-1853229

So, if defection is not going be be allowed and there aren't enough independents to horse trade and get majority, how did BJP even show a hand of majority to get an invite?


There is also this element of discretion on the part of the governor

That baseless discretion is what is in question here. Discretion with conflict of interest and without regard for the law. On what basis did he invite BJP given the situation?

What do you make of this ?

Nothing.and it doesn't matter given the scope of anti-defection law as pointed out above.
 
BJP doesn't have the numbers now. Don't argue just for the sake of arguing.

Also,

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bs-...efore-oath-centres-justification-in-c-1853229

So, if defection is not going be be allowed and there aren't enough independents to horse trade and get majority, how did BJP even show a hand of majority to get an invite?
Neither does Cong+JDS, which is why Governor invited single largest party to form Gov.

The opposition MLA's can resign or abstain from voting, then anti-defection law can be avoided.

One thing is certain... BJP is not going to let go of Karnataka.
 
BJP doesn't have the numbers now. Don't argue just for the sake of arguing.

Also,

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bs-...efore-oath-centres-justification-in-c-1853229

So, if defection is not going be be allowed and there aren't enough independents to horse trade and get majority, how did BJP even show a hand of majority to get an invite?
And how but you read what ever sources you post ?

Nothing.and it doesn't matter given the scope of anti-defection law as pointed out above.
:rolleyes:

That baseless discretion is what is in question here. Discretion with conflict of interest and without regard for the law. On what basis did he invite BJP given the situation?
Goa & Manipur have no bearing here. Different states, different governors. Legal! whether the oppositon agrees or not

Discretion

Like I said this isn't a closed chapter yet


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The opposition MLA's can resign or abstain from voting, then anti-defection law can be avoided.
Exactly because it only comes into force AFTER being sworn in.

One thing is certain... BJP is not going to let go of Karnataka.
104 vs 117 ? assuming those 117 hold
 
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104 vs 117 ? assuming those 117 hold
yea assuming... but since the Governor didnt offer them to form the Gov means they didnt have the numbers at the time.

Letting BJP form the Gov is currently the best case scenario BJP could have asked for... I dont think they will let this opportunity go... some how they will bring the half way mark within their reach
 
Exactly because it only comes into force AFTER being sworn in.

Supreme court already rubbished it in yesterday. anti-defection will hold even before swearing in. The only option BJP has to force MLA's to refrain from voting in floor test or to make them resign and conduct elections in those areas again.

The anti-defection law, which bans lawmakers from switching parties, does not apply to Karnataka's newly-elected legislators if they haven't been sworn in yet, the centre argued in a post-midnight Supreme Court hearing on Congress' petition after BJP's BS Yeddyurappa was invited by the governor to form government and also given 15 days to prove his majority.

Calling the argument "preposterous", the court said in the hearing that went on till dawn, "It means open invitation to horse-trading."
 
Those election voting machines are never going to be free from controversy, ever lol.
So called controversy about EVM's was trival to deal with

What about now ? tweets made are subsequently deleted, its fast moving so all sorts of info put out , goal post changing and this discretion business

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Supreme court already rubbished it in yesterday. anti-defection will hold even before swearing in. The only option BJP has to force MLA's to refrain from voting in floor test or to make them resign and conduct elections in those areas again.
lol, so wait and see
 
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