MH-BJP Govt dictate : Marathi movies on prime time :P

[asingh]

an opportunity to have a screening in a multiplex.

I do not see that as fair play, to be honest. Even if it is stated as, so. They are just creating a forum/platform for local language movies.

no because they are not delaying the screening of other movies like what happens in karntaka.

But they are forcing, the screening of some...! Enforcement. Or is it a protectionist attitude..? If it is, the mode is grossly incorrect.

they have given an option to get tax rebate. firms which join the bandwagon have to comply. if they feel its not feasable or rather detrimental to business, they can always opt out.

I did not understand what you said...!

depends when a movie like dhoom3 becomes a highest money maker, i doubt marathi movies can match the quality standards of dhoom3.

Whose short-coming is that..? Are Marathi movies getting a "sports-handicap" in-turn: A shot in the arm..?

also marathi movies are not run of the mill movies like bollywood counterparts, many are experimental in nature, so returns cannot be compared.

Then separate public viewing methodologies, should be constructed for Marathi Movies. Not all Bollywood movies are generic and stapler in nature. And even if they are, the government is directly trying to control business, and curbing free exercise of creativity.

 

[Superbad]

I did not understand what you said...!

they are given tax concessions in order to screen marathi movies, if they feel the movies lack quality , or it turns out to cause huge losses, they can opt to not ask for tax concessions.

Whose short-coming is that..? Are Marathi movies getting a "sports-handicap" in-turn: A shot in the arm..?

i dont see dhoom3 or krissh3 like movies are the standards movie makers should aspire too. they are just money spinners lacking real content.

Marathi movies do good enough business in single screen theatres. but they suffer bullying by bollywood distributors when it comes to screening those movies in multiplexes.

 

[asingh]

they are given tax concessions in order to screen marathi movies, if they feel the movies lack quality , or it turns out to cause huge losses, they can opt to not ask for tax concessions.

Thanks, for explaining...!

 

[onlyravi]

Marathi movies do good enough business in single screen theatres. but they suffer bullying by bollywood distributors when it comes to screening those movies in multiplexes.

+1 Exactly...
I dont see the point why this topic is still being debated....
MH govt is not the first and only one to do this. Many state govt do this and much more.
If anyone still thinks that promoting Marathi cinema business in such a manner is interfering in democracy than the same should be said about Amma's schemes. She has ruined business for hotels / botteled water mfg / pharmacies... Should that also be stopped if we go by the logic of our great being smart????
So move on guys... it is what it is.... If the MP owners had prob with this they would have revolted. Have you seen any single MP owner coming out in public and speaking about this?????
Coz they get huge rebates on entertainment tax if they screen Marathi movies in MP screens. If they want they can opt out and fortify those benefits. No one is mandated to follow the diktat.
Y is this so difficult to understand???? I hope I need not reply after this coz there is no substance in this debate...

 

[asingh]

Y is this so difficult to understand???? I hope I need not reply after this coz there is no substance in this debate...

There is immense substance. Just because another "state" is doing the same, does not fortify the reasoning for secondary occurrences. It is a prohibitive and restrictive ideology. It is not about tax rebates, but making it a mandate for screen owners. Why does the government need to intervene..? What happens, if they blatantly refuse: we will not show Marathi vernacular movies, and keep our own choice. And middle-finger the tax rebate too..? Will it be fine then..? Or in a compulsory manner, they have to show a Marathi movie on a prime slot, irrespective of tax rebate..?

 

[onlyravi]

There is immense substance. Just because another "state" is doing the same, does not fortify the reasoning for secondary occurrences. It is a prohibitive and restrictive ideology. It is not about tax rebates, but making it a mandate for screen owners. Why does the government need to intervene..? What happens, if they blatantly refuse: we will not show Marathi vernacular movies, and keep our own choice. And middle-finger the tax rebate too..? Will it be fine then..? Or in a compulsory manner, they have to show a Marathi movie on a prime slot, irrespective of tax rebate..?

That provision is already in place that MP owners can opt out if they want. But if they do opt in to promote Marathi cinema the Govt is rewarding with ent tax benefit. So its not that they HAVE to do it and there is no other option. Even now its their own will.
The ONLY change this govt made is now they have added a condition of prime time which was any time any show earlier. Thats it....
Till now for last so many years no one objected to this or had no issue just coz media picks up this issue a mountain is made out of a molecule...
And the promotional benefit or reservations what ever one calls it is not forced upon the cinema hall owners. Its like students of some castes have reservations does not mean that every student of that caste is a dumb fella....
Its only to help accelerate the growth and progress of that caste to bring them at par with other students who had all the required resources from long before.
And again its NOT A MANDATE... so pls clear that misunderstanding. I repeat that no one is forced to screen marathi cinemas against their will. This can be validated by checking all shows of MH theaters on book my show or such sites.
MP Owners have not and not oppose this and will never show middle finger to tax rebates coz they get benefited most. They adjust bookings of other shows and show that sale against Marathi movie shows and reap tax benefits. Just like in any business there are loop holes here also. And its not only with marathi movies its with any tax free movie this trick is played in effect.

 

[asingh]

That provision is already in place that MP owners can opt out if they want. But if they do opt in to promote Marathi cinema the Govt is rewarding with ent tax benefit. So its not that they HAVE to do it and there is no other option. Even now its their own will.
The ONLY change this govt made is now they have added a condition of prime time which was any time any show earlier. Thats it....
Till now for last so many years no one objected to this or had no issue just coz media picks up this issue a mountain is made out of a molecule...
And the promotional benefit or reservations what ever one calls it is not forced upon the cinema hall owners. Its like students of some castes have reservations does not mean that every student of that caste is a dumb fella....
Its only to help accelerate the growth and progress of that caste to bring them at par with other students who had all the required resources from long before.
And again its NOT A MANDATE... so pls clear that misunderstanding. I repeat that no one is forced to screen marathi cinemas against their will. This can be validated by checking all shows of MH theaters on book my show or such sites.
MP Owners have not and not oppose this and will never show middle finger to tax rebates coz they get benefited most. They adjust bookings of other shows and show that sale against Marathi movie shows and reap tax benefits. Just like in any business there are loop holes here also. And its not only with marathi movies its with any tax free movie this trick is played in effect.

The web links..never showed it was voluntary. Thanks for clearing this up. If they can choose to show or not show, then it is good.

 

[Spacescreamer]

Right, this move may satisfy you personally given your personal linguistic and cultural associations
However , there is no saying what the next move for a govt that starts mixing its priorities would be

Banning beef, forcing specific movie categories , what next?
What if the next one is something that affects your negatively personally?

What separates India from other recent semi democracies or autocracies is what is at risk here - While by itself, it may seem trivial but carries far greater repercussions potentially

Both these points when taken separately def makes sense. Not together in the same frame.

India, as we know it, has been very partisan. We have cultivated a culture where space has been provided to some privileged few, and corruption/myopic people in the administration have ensured that a holistic culture has been kept on the back burner.

India has tons of languages, and there is nothing wrong in forcing atleast one slot for the prime time screening. What will be unfair is that if these slots are used either for screening bolly trash type movies, or for political leverage (not the content, the policy framing as a tool for coalitions)
The sort of BS our main copy cat industry has been doling out, i would take a well made marathi movie in a heart beat even though i am not a native marathi speaker. Any good movie with subtitles will work for me.
It is quite true that since the past few years, the mad rush to earn profit from fizzled out hindi movies has forced some serious mad screening schedules. No wonder the regional movies will suffer as a result.

Knowing that this is India, there will be no measure to check the quality of the film getting the benefit of this quota, nor will be there any surety that such policies wont be used for political gains. What that HRD minister Arjun did, will be repeated here as well.

Having a good panel to ensure good movies to be promoted in these slots should be primary. Tax rebates and enforcing these laws only in multiplexes, which would promote the idea of two different type of cinemas co existing with ease, should appease lot of people.

 

[pauldmps]

1. If there was a demand on Marathi movies, the MP owners wouldn't have to be forced to screen those movies. This will be bad for business.
2. There are other laws such as section 377 which are not enforced.
3. This is one of the ways of forcing one's culture and language over the whole population. How does it differ from Muslim countries forcing women to wear burkas ?
4. So what's next? Make Audi showroom sell Ambassadors to provide a "level playing field" ?

This is a simple demand-supply problem. When there isn't a demand for a commodity it has to perish,(unless Mah govt. decides to force shopkeepers sell stuff produced by sick industries) .

There are already loads of trains filled with people who travel without ticket coming to Mumbai everyday.... so thats already done by Lalu

This!
The people of Mah think they are superior than all other people of India and that their language and culture is what everybody should adopt.

PS. - I do not watch movies in theaters as I believe they are a waste of time & money. But people flock see such movies & business is business.

 

[onlyravi]

1. If there was a demand on Marathi movies, the MP owners wouldn't have to be forced to screen those movies. This will be bad for business.
2. There are other laws such as section 377 which are not enforced.
3. This is one of the ways of forcing one's culture and language over the whole population. How does it differ from Muslim countries forcing women to wear burkas ?
4. So what's next? Make Audi showroom sell Ambassadors to provide a "level playing field" ?
This is a simple demand-supply problem. When there isn't a demand for a commodity it has to perish,(unless Mah govt. decides to force shopkeepers sell stuff produced by sick industries) .
This!
The people of Mah think they are superior than all other people of India and that their language and culture is what everybody should adopt.

PS. - I do not watch movies in theaters as I believe they are a waste of time & money. But people flock see such movies & business is business.

1) If you understood even B of business or even read my last few posts you would have understood how this is infact GOOD for business here.
2)377??? Huh.... where did that come from in this topic? on the same basis why not discuss abortions in sweden and human rights in arab countries also... point is stick to the topic.
3) There are more tamil/telugu movies screened in Pune than Marathi. MH ppl dont see that as being forced upon them... again you are comparing apples and oranges. I dont know why I am even replying to this nonsense.
4)FYI Hindustan Motors was started with the intention of making world class vehicles in India and compete with global market. It was in collaboration with some European car company but again idea was the same and it had it giant role in promoting Indian cars. Sadly they could not keep with time and now its all history but if it was not for Hindustan Motors we would be decades behind the world in Auto sector. Its Contessa that first emerged as a luxury sedan of the Indians moving from higher middle class to rich classes. But how would you know....

Demand supply is fine but not when either the demand or the supply is controlled by a monopoly. Every heard the story of the sale of monkeys?

Its again the same thing. You assume that MH ppl think they are superior. Try speaking hindi with a auto driver in Chennai or Blore and try that in Pune.
Every state has been doing the same things and so is MH(albeit they are little late)
So once and for all let me settle this debate...

If anyone still feels this is diktatorship read the diktat properly or read my above posts. Add some common sense for taste.
And anyways.... MH govt did what they did... if you or me does not agree with it that then they are not going to change the rule for us.

And the funny thing is ppl who are never going to watch a marathi movie or even end up watching movies in MH are commenting ... Hypocrisy....
"Begani shaadi mei abdullah diwna"

 

[onlyravi]

Funny thing is not a single MP owner has opposed this move and they are following it for last few years. (Partly reason being coz they can opt out but also coz their business is benefiting from this rule)
Only some shitty channels decide to twist it to earn some TRP and entire nation starts debating this like a wild fire.... Not a single guy wants to use their common sense to even justify the entire event and think about its pros or cons what ever they are....
I am also not Marathi or Marathi speaking native but I live here from birth and so I can identify with the ground reality.

You cant even imagine how the media twisted the Srinagar floods news last year. I can because I was stuck there for 9 days in the center of the city.
The day before the floods we were hosted a lunch by an army Col. but for next 9 days we know what all we saw and experienced on ground zero.
forget this Marathi movie topic. Just one suggestion... stop following the media blindly. Start questioning and logically thinking for your own self.

 

[avi]

You know guys....why not just cancel the tax rebate?

 

[Criminal]

4)FYI Hindustan Motors was started with the intention of making world class vehicles in India and compete with global market. It was in collaboration with some European car company but again idea was the same and it had it giant role in promoting Indian cars. Sadly they could not keep with time and now its all history but if it was not for Hindustan Motors we would be decades behind the world in Auto sector. Its Contessa that first emerged as a luxury sedan of the Indians moving from higher middle class to rich classes. But how would you know....

is there any source from where i can verify these lame examples?

for all my life i thought ambassador was a borrowed (licensed) design and so was Contessa. nothing indigenous/genuine/indian about them. indian automobile industry was screwed because of license raj. and HM never tried to keep up with the time.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

3) There are more tamil/telugu movies screened in Pune than Marathi. MH ppl dont see that as being forced upon them... again you are comparing apples and oranges. I dont know why I am even replying to this nonsense.

Anyone with a iota of business sense would tell you they will only sell stuff that they think is going to sell and bring him profit. Running a Cinema business is no different. If a cinema owner is screening telugu or tamil movies voluntarily without anybody imposing any laws, it means that he has good business from them. If you need to make a law to force Marathi movies to be screened, is means that the stuff is so sub standard even compared to those telugu or tamil movies that no body watches them and because of that no theatre owner wants to screen them. Just think about it for a moment. They are basically trying to force Marathi movies on the (marathi) public even though they were not interested in watching them.

Let me tell you that it will not work. People will not suddenly start watching Marathi movies, not unless they are also forced into doing it. When you are hungry and a plate of shit is the only thing available in the house, would you just eat it or would you look for some other alternatives outside. That is what is going to happen. If people don't like the quality of the Marathi movies, they won't watch them just because the Govt is forcing that stuff on them. They will just look for other alternatives.

So, don't try to defend such retrograde and anti-democratic laws just for the sake of it.

Also regarding the tax rebates, there is an already existing law where as per rules theatres that get these rebates will have to do 112 screening of Marathi movie per year. It was a optional kind of deal which is fine. But from what I could understand, the new law does not have any connection with rebates. The new law says you screen Marathi movies during prime time or you loose your license.

 

[onlyravi]

is there any source from where i can verify these lame examples?
for all my life i thought ambassador was a borrowed (licensed) design and so was Contessa. nothing indigenous/genuine/indian about them. indian automobile industry was screwed because of license raj. and HM never tried to keep up with the time.

I never said they are INDIAN inventions. They are licensed models(some oxford series I think from UK) but Ambassador was the first to be mass produced in India. Though HM was owned by Birlas the govt gave partial treatment for Ambassador to promote the Indian auto industry. Had the then govt not supported HM and kept on relying on the imported cars available then .... The Indian auto industry would not be what it is today.
True they could not keep up even after been favored by Govt so they are out of business now. But same with Marathi cinema. They are lagging behind commercially. They are not short of talent. So nothing wrong in MH govt giving a little support.

and for the other comments I am not even answering the same rhetoric again....
I have said what I had to... and this law is in place for last few years. Its here and it will be for atleast next few years....
Those who dont agree can stay away from the marathi cinemas.. Nobody is forcing you to watch it. There are enough screens and options for other to watch what they want.
I dont think MH needs idiots like lalus and buffalo man and netajis to tell them how to run the state when they have got their own heap of shit to clear.
So agree disagree and whatever.... this thing is here to stay....

 

[drkrack]

I never said they are INDIAN inventions. They are licensed models(some oxford series I think from UK) but Ambassador was the first to be mass produced in India. Though HM was owned by Birlas the govt gave partial treatment for Ambassador to promote the Indian auto industry. Had the then govt not supported HM and kept on relying on the imported cars available then .... The Indian auto industry would not be what it is today.
True they could not keep up even after been favored by Govt so they are out of business now. But same with Marathi cinema. They are lagging behind commercially. They are not short of talent. So nothing wrong in MH govt giving a little support.

and for the other comments I am not even answering the same rhetoric again....
I have said what I had to... and this law is in place for last few years. Its here and it will be for atleast next few years....
Those who dont agree can stay away from the marathi cinemas.. Nobody is forcing you to watch it. There are enough screens and options for other to watch what they want.
I dont think MH needs idiots like lalus and buffalo man and netajis to tell them how to run the state when they have got their own heap of shit to clear.
So agree disagree and whatever.... this thing is here to stay....

I completely understand the point, you're trying to make. Don't cry foul when Tamilians impose the same For Tamil movies in Chennai or Kannadigas do the same in Bengaluru. There's so much hue and cry when the people of the state wanted to change the name of the state capital.

The problem here's all the movie industries where most people understand hindi are in shambles, whether it's Marathi or Gujarati or Punjabi. South Indian movies are basically surviving and excelling because they've their audience base intact. They'd rather watch the hindi superhits dubbed or remade in their native language than watching it in hindi. That's why many mega budget hindi movies are dubbed and released in telugu and Tamil simultaneously.

Earlier literature used to be the commonest mode of creativity in any language and movies have slowly replaced it for the common man. So to save their linguistic heritage in movie and digital era respective state governments have to take certain steps, and MH government is in right direction to save it's movie industry.

The root cause of this issues is unwillingness of Hindi speaking population to learn and support local languages. When the city and state has given you so much that you settle down here, you should respect local language and culture.

Second and "biggest misconception is Hindi is a National language of India" . No it is not, it's a popular language in India but there's no official ordinance which supports this misconception.
See link



www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindi-not-a-national-language-court/article94695.ece?mstac=0


Then why is govt of India paying from it's pocket to popularize hindi, when it's not superior than any other regional language according to constitution ?? All languages spoken in India should be given equal preference by central government. So I don't find anything wrong in state governments coming up with measures to support their language and culture. When native hindi speaking population tries to use this unsupported myth to impose hindi and cover up their unwillingness to learn local language ; state governments have all the rights to do so.

The central government should clarify that Hindi is not the official language. Stop promoting hindi at the expense of the exchequer.
Ideally English should be our national language not hindi. We're United because of English not because of Hindi

 

[Arv90]

Bought up in Mumbai, I find it still an apathy after we have every other party trying to split the Billion population in terms of language, religion, caste.etc.
Shiv sena, MNS and so many other parties have played similar child games in the past.
Looked like a beautiful play of irony when another news channel airs news of farmers from BJP led Haryana govenrment receiving cheques of 200 Rs as compensation.
Stricken farmers get just Rs 200 compensation for crop damage | Daily Mail Online

Where is the whole agenda of unity and progress(An intergal symbol of our tri-color flag) going??
Mr. Fadnavis should have been more concerned on the the ground level problems the state is facing
226 farmers’ suicides in last three months - The Times of India
40% rise in farmer suicides in Maharashtra - The Times of India

Hunger or Entertainment??
Let him learn what should be his priority

The new BJP government has already intervened into what I eat, where I sh*t and now what I see.
I too loved one of the recent Marathi movie(Elizabeth Ekadashi) being a non-marathi and don't mind the decision of prime time screening.
But in the end, I set my convenience and priority of what to watch and when to watch.
If the movie is good, I'll definitely end up watching the movie in theatre.
I won't like watching Avatar in a local cable channel. Same goes for a quality marathi movie.

Lets not burn our temper for parties involved in vote bank games.

Start questioning and logically thinking for your own self.

On a side note, for people who think Beef eating is a taboo for Hindus, please read the book "The myth of the Holy Cow by DN Jha"
Great insights from an historian and another explanation of how some fanatics are dividing the society.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Then why is govt of India paying from it's pocket to popularize hindi, when it's not superior than any other regional language according to constitution ?? All languages spoken in India should be given equal preference by central government. So I don't find anything wrong in state governments coming up with measures to support their language and culture. When native hindi speaking population tries to use this unsupported myth to impose hindi and cover up their unwillingness to learn local language ; state governments have all the rights to do so.

The central government should clarify that Hindi is not the official language. Stop promoting hindi at the expense of the exchequer.
Ideally English should be our national language not hindi. We're United because of English not because of Hindi

Whether the state Govt does it or central, there is nothing good about such nonsensical rules and laws.

As a matter of fact, there is nothing wrong in wanting to preserve Marathi movie industry. The right way to go about it and one that might work is to directly promote the industry so that they are enabled and empowered to make some good quality stuff and see where it goes from there. Are you telling me that people won't watch good stuff that is their local language.

The wrong way to go about it and one that will never work is to drag regionalism politics into the mix and bring in retrograde laws try to force people into watching the sub standard stuff that they did not bother watching till then. People are not going to part with their hard earned money to watch bad movies just because the Govt is limiting their options.

 

[abhi1984]

This is interesting. The law already existed before BJP but then media loves the party so much that they won't do a fact check.

The law dates back to 1968 (Congress) and it was Congress who amended it too (back in 2010):
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...t-s-rule-on-marathi-films-113111901117_1.html
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-screen-at-least-44-shows-of-marathi-films-a-year-1396925
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/repo...lms-to-get-prime-slots-in-multiplexes-1428336

Quoting the last news item:
"Under new guidelines, multiplexes stand to lose their licences if they treat Marathi cinema as secondary to other cinema."
“Hereafter, it will be mandatory for all 27 multiplexes in Mumbai to give Marathi cinema prime time slots. The permission for new multiplexes will be sanctioned only if they dedicate a separate screen entirely to Marathi cinema,” home minister RR Patil said.

So again no ones knows what the new rule is about:
http://indianexpress.com/article/en...-made-to-screen-marathi-movies-in-prime-time/

Business head of Fun Cinemas Anand Vishal said: “There is already a rule that we have to keep 210 shows for Marathi films through the day in one year. No one exactly knows the nitty-gritties of the new rule and whether it is inclusive of the existing norm. We are waiting for clarity on that front. Even if the new rule is exclusive of that, we are fine with it since films will have to work on merit. People will watch Marathi films over Hindi films if the content is good”.

Source of links and idea:http://www.opindia.com/2015/04/from...-bjp-everybody-wants-quota-for-marathi-films/

 

[asingh]

Also regarding the tax rebates, there is an already existing law where as per rules theatres that get these rebates will have to do 112 screening of Marathi movie per year. It was a optional kind of deal which is fine. But from what I could understand, the new law does not have any connection with rebates. The new law says you screen Marathi movies during prime time or you loose your license.

Can this be clarified.

1. Tax rebate and what is being offered for this rebate. What are the prerequisites.
2. Has actually a new law been passed (proposed), which mandates Multiplex Cinemas (MxC) to show one Marathi language movie / per day at a prime slot.
3. Is actually (2) independent of (1).
4. Is actually (2) an activity which will garner (1) and is optional.