Microsoft Lamer: Where Comes The Server From??

[cool_cat]

All hail the *nix guru

the rest of us n00bs have no idea what we have been missing so far

Me - not a guru.just a Linux user.

@igo: beta ,grow up.should I get acronym for window$ then ?is that you expect?

 

[YoGi-Sama]

beta ,grow up.should I get acronym for window$ then ?is that you expect?

Oh you can get whatever you want.... nobody's stopping you.

And by the way... grown ups don't spread FUD. They don't act like fanboi.... oh, wait. They DO... just noticed your age!! :rofl:

 

[cool_cat]

well ,what is in the age?huh?this forum visitors will benefit from this kind of threads.people must understand that M$ is a monopoly which has vendor locked a majority of computer users ,hence made them dependent on whatever crap they churns out.freedom or FOSS is way better than silly idiotic closed source window$!anytime!

FOSS :Free/Libre Open Source Softwaregot it?

 

[superczar]

errr, this kind of rigid stance by the self proclaimed FOSS promoters would actually drive em away

 

[cool_cat]

well - that is my opinion only.the so called FOSS promoters won't tell you the ugliness of Microsoft these days.They just keep mum among the m$ fanatics you know.the new strategy according to ubuntuforums.org etc are that don't tell a window$ user about Linux and Open Source.Let window$ users come and explore distro's like Ubuntu ,Fedora etc.

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I don't believe in that.Simple

 

[greenhorn]

yeah sure.but before that ,I hope governments world over end this monopoly of window$ operating system

They've tried, but havent been able to so far :devil2:

My reasoning is simple: Let those who want to *BUY* window$ buy.no problem.BUT - Let all governments worldwide enforce Free(As in Freedom) Operating Sytems like GNU/Linux as Desktop operating system wherever Possible.

as said before , there is no enforced freedom. You can either make your own choice, or you are not free at all. Just the same way you are not free at all, because you cannot choose to use a microsoft product.

reason : Operating system is the core platform which must not be dependent on a private corportation.

I gave enough links in my previous posts.

Agree on that point. But for most users, its not relevant. the average joe and his grandma doesnt care about that , and big enterprises who do are already microsoft partners, so its not an issue for them.

No Jealousy.but anger.people are so lame.

and you are the supreme human being?

look at the kiddo's who love M$ window$ for gaming.no ,seriously.Operating Systems are necessarily not for gamer platform.

but what about gamers, they do represent a big chunk of the PC market. should they just switch to consoles instead because an OS should not be used for games? Are you saying that because linux support for most games is spotty? because openGL is nowhere near DirectX?

if yes ,then proclaim M$ window$ as gaming GUI shell.

No problem.

People have TRIED to make linux better for gaming. look at con kolivas who wrote the Completely fair scheduler, to optimize linux for the desktop, but got shot down because the folks maintaining the linux kernel wanted to optimize it for server performance. At lease we know windows is in corporate control. You dont know which parts of linux are actually free

Window$ is the pride of Monopoly!It is the arrogance and influence of M$-haft how M$ still is used as a basic operating system world wide.it is high time ,banning window$ for common people(who are so idiotic to let m$ exploit them=read DRM).security on window$?

Microsoft Sucks

how mwindows is used world wide has nothing to do with microsoft. Its a choice made by the users. You would blame the users and already have. the kid next door using winamp on windows to listen to music and watch movies doesnt care if windows is secure or not. he cant afford internet. People are not gonna sneak into his room and run lophtcrack and steal his mp3's and bollywood actress wallpaper collection

Proprietary model requires closed source.It's basic is in hideousness.proprietary model wants you to be under it's boot.no reverse compatibility ,no dedication to those who don't want to upgrade.this sucks big time.

funny, most windows programs run irrespective of which version of windows it is . I've run win 98 applications on vista and XP. and nothing much changes with an XP service pack. On the other hand , an ubuntu update needs pretty much every application to be updated

The Ideology is the Subscription system really works effective and evolved in a Open Source Platform.Hence the need for every program be Open Sourced a manadtory thing in a Free Society.

If you HAVE to share the code with everybody, its not a very free society is it ?

and Dont FUD that open source where codes can be seen by people !:tongue:

You mean they cant ?

M$UG(Window$ user group) -wrongly spelt.microsoft fanboys are those who can't tolerate linux or opensource at any point of time.they are locked -they gave their brain to microsoft praise.no body dared to understands that monopoly and closed source both sucks in reality.

And there are some Linux zealots who cant tolerate windows or a proprietary business model at any point in time. they are locked -they gave their brain to microsoft bashing. nobody dares to understand that there is a lot more to reality than their own closed minds and unrealistic idea of the world. Monopoly does suck, but closed source works beautifully sometimes. Has goole released any of its own Search engine source codes? do you find anyone finding fault with that , even these so called microsoft haters?

If microsoft and bill gates was not be there ,there can be more chance of free society.AFAIK ,mr.bill gates is one of the main fellow who wants to have the software closed source and wants to profit it on everyway possible.

Yes, its called commerce. people sell things to earn a profit. THats how a commercial enterprise works. you sell a product and earn money for the stakeholders. They just do it in a manner different to other FOSS companies

Open Source can also earn your food.At one time or another ,you all will have to leave window$.How many goverments(except india?) wants to rely on the moron who sells a closed operating system with god knows how many rootkits to harvest user data ,national security issues and what not?

I agree that for national security and govt institutions, an open source solution is preferable, but I believe Microsoft and other vendors already share their source code under the shared source program. so any exisitng rootkits can be verified by an independent audit of the code

Again ,Open Source Model means Open Source must be the norm.Gov must enforce Opensource for the complete success of Open source model.

It is a bit sad that the open source model needs government help and intervention to sustain itself. wouldnt a more robust model be preferable ?

GUI operating system?know this :customizedGUI of Ubuntu(Gnome or Kde) with compiz make the Window$ looks like a !#$%.

appearance is not all there is to an OS. compiz too bloats up an ubuntu install. I've removed it after the novelty wears off. to be honest. initially, they just added a lot of bling into compiz, and eventually the folks just got bored. there isnt anyone able to lead its developement!

Reliable?M$ Window$?ROFL! .do you personally wrote and verified every code that window$ contains?LOL!

have you written even a single line of the linux kernel you love so?

If you support closed source model ,then you sure have issues with FOSS model.both cannot co-exist peacefully.atleast that's what I found after so many years.

FOSS expects it's first condition as : Having the source code available for download and accessible to modify/rewrite it to our choice.Will closed source lovers love this?

If FOSS cannot co exist with something else, how is it something else's problem :S

that they are wrong in sticking with a monopoly and support it to sell the buggy operating system.current ,past generations are responsible for this until slowly people will understand the true colour of monopoly.what Happened to Ambassedor car(Hindustan motors) after the license/quota raj ended can be a good source of study for microsoft and it's allies(fanboys included)

And yet the ambassador is still sold. Its not like they arent aware that there are other cars, but they prefer the ambassador. there always have been other alternatives to windows. OS X for instance

I equate Open Source to Jesus who was born in the Sinful Society! - pretty much accurate.Richard M Stallman needs a Big Salute to have this movement growing.

Please dont bring religion into this. I am a christian, but if you say open source is jesus, then I'm an atheist

too tired:ashamed:. will reply to the rest tomorrow

 

[b00gieMan]

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...This is gonna be LEGEN-----(Wait 4 it)----DARY! hyeah:

 

[cool_cat]

They've tried, but havent been able to so far :devil2:

you sure?there are many a governments moving to FOSS and GNU/Linux despite the FUD by M$haft.

as said before , there is no enforced freedom. You can either make your own choice, or you are not free at all. Just the same way you are not free at all, because you cannot choose to use a microsoft product.

Freedom must be enforced in certain cases.especially in Goverment Part.They have to completely ditch Window$.No other alternatives.you may not like it ,but governments can save so much money and security vulnerabilities ditching window$.sources are everywhere.

and you are the supreme human being?

ofcourse I am NEVER ;I CAN NOT.but I can try my best to prevent the pro-M$ BS.

but what about gamers, they do represent a big chunk of the PC market. should they just switch to consoles instead because an OS should not be used for games? Are you saying that because linux support for most games is spotty? because openGL is nowhere near DirectX?

Linux support for the games are a issue.M$haft's directx thingy prevents the gamers and game developers leave that platform.agrees.

but ,gaming corporation sure can make a change.(I guess they are slowly adopting to Linux too?)

People have TRIED to make linux better for gaming. look at con kolivas who wrote the Completely fair scheduler, to optimize linux for the desktop, but got shot down because the folks maintaining the linux kernel wanted to optimize it for server performance. At lease we know windows is in corporate control. You dont know which parts of linux are actually free

Half baked knowledge I'd say.His idea's(most of them) are included afaik by Ingor Molnar & Co.and BTW ,they ain't AFAIK that important.Desktop Linux anyways are getting proper attention especially after distro's like Ubuntu.

how mwindows is used world wide has nothing to do with microsoft. Its a choice made by the users. You would blame the users and already have. the kid next door using winamp on windows to listen to music and watch movies doesnt care if windows is secure or not. he cant afford internet. People are not gonna sneak into his room and run lophtcrack and steal his mp3's and bollywood actress wallpaper collection

DRM is a Sin.Period.

funny, most windows programs run irrespective of which version of windows it is . I've run win 98 applications on vista and XP. and nothing much changes with an XP service pack. On the other hand , an ubuntu update needs pretty much every application to be updated

really?my small knowledge says It does not.Ubuntu Update?Huh?Ubuntu is a Linux distro dear!if an update is given or not ,you can choose NOT to upgrade!you can have another Linux distro!Linux is Open Source !No vendor-lockin ,if you want to have kernel-2.2 or 2.4 -OK -get your old hardware to run them!

update or upgrade?you are confusing?

Micro$oft's commitment on reverse compatibility is already discussed everywhere(google?).many programs which for eg: someone purchased for win95 cannot be run on Vi$ta/7 ?true?while with Linux ,it ain't that bad.

If you HAVE to share the code with everybody, its not a very free society is it ?

It is a FREE society still.If you wrote a code and won't want to share.OK no Problemo.but if you are giving out a new software -share the code.

But -yeah ,that's FOSS utopia(which must be implemented).

You mean they cant ?

YES.

And there are some Linux zealots who cant tolerate windows or a proprietary business model at any point in time. they are locked -they gave their brain to microsoft bashing. nobody dares to understand that there is a lot more to reality than their own closed minds and unrealistic idea of the world. Monopoly does suck, but closed source works beautifully sometimes. Has goole released any of its own Search engine source codes? do you find anyone finding fault with that , even these so called microsoft haters?

Agree.Include me as One.I enjoys it..Practicality is another thing. reality sucks!Hence the small step to let others know that M$ is not a saint.closed source works beautifully?what if that beautifully working program got a rootkit?the idea is closed source can essentially hide vulnerabilities(for long time until subscribers complains -look at M$ window$) ,rootkits and what not?

Yes, its called commerce. people sell things to earn a profit. THats how a commercial enterprise works. you sell a product and earn money for the stakeholders. They just do it in a manner different to other FOSS companies

past 31 years ,I wish they were not BORN!.

I agree that for national security and govt institutions, an open source solution is preferable, but I believe Microsoft and other vendors already share their source code under the shared source program. so any exisitng rootkits can be verified by an independent audit of the code

Still Security comes better with Linux.AFAIK NDA and other comes with M$ source code review.so ,it is not an option!occassional audits can seldom help!

It is a bit sad that the open source model needs government help and intervention to sustain itself. wouldnt a more robust model be preferable ?

Yes.only 1 out of 100 can be sensible in some cases!.enforcement of freedom(in gov arenas especially) is a must in countries where people supports the closed source giants to loot more and more.

appearance is not all there is to an OS. compiz too bloats up an ubuntu install. I've removed it after the novelty wears off. to be honest. initially, they just added a lot of bling into compiz, and eventually the folks just got bored. there isnt anyone able to lead its developement!

when did you tried compiz?did you only tried enabling all the 100's of compiz-fusion plugins to see all "effects" .go to Gnome preferences and choose average.that effects are good at usability POV too.latest news is some other 3D compositing manager project is born!great!

have you written even a single line of the linux kernel you love so?

NO.but I can boast that the Kernel and each of it's lines are daily audited by 1000's of people ,corporations to check the same.:cool2:

If FOSS cannot co exist with something else, how is it something else's problem :S

Changing the mindset of the society and destruction of closed source and window$ monopoly- both are synonymous.

And yet the ambassador is still sold. Its not like they arent aware that there are other cars, but they prefer the ambassador. there always have been other alternatives to windows. OS X for instance

OS X is a costly alternative.I chose ambassedor to show the technical aspect too.

Please dont bring religion into this. I am a christian, but if you say open source is jesus, then I'm an atheist
too tired:ashamed:. will reply to the rest tomorrow

Religion even if it is Mythical or Not found to be the best to compare!

welcome.