First:an AMD fx 4100 will let him oc(he can cut back on some things,as i have done below, and buy a hyper 212 cooler),SECOND : shortly games will begin using full quad cores so the amd processor will observe more gains than the i3 which only has SMT and is essentially a dual core.so i fail to understand the choice of an i3 above the 4100.
Well the AMD FX-4100 is a power guzzler when over-clocked, also the module(s) architecture is not a consistent performer, so seems like a waste to invest in that, rather OP can buy a AMD Phenom IIx4 955 B.E. and start over-clocking that to gain performance, atleast other real-time work will also gain. For more on the same --
When it comes to performance we were shocked to see the AMD A8-3850 'Llano' processor and the Socket FM1 platform performing better than the AMD FX-4100 'Bulldozer' processor and the Socket AM3+ platform. We quickly found out that the FX-4100 was priced this low as it needed to be. The performance of the FX-4100 wasn't awful, but we didn't expect to see the AMD A6-3650 running at 2.6GHz to beat the AMD FX-4100 running at 3.6GHz in benchmarks like POV-Ray and Cinebench!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-2100-gaming-benchmark,3136.html / http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/15/
The Intel flattens the AMD FX in power consumption.
here is the rig you should take :
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]BenQ G2222HDL ~ 7600[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Logiteck MK200 ~ 700[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Mobo-Biostar A880GZ -3673(@flipkart)[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]CPU-amd fx 4100-rs.6307[/font][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](@flipkart)[/font]
corsair 430cxv2 430 watt-rs.2588
Do you intend OP to over-clock on this SMPS, you have guts Sire, I will give you that but the FX will eat up the power easily, over-clocking the FX-chip demands a SMPS of the calibre of a Seasonic S12II 520W minimum. That itself will make the cost jump up by ~1200/-.
(http://www.flipkart....34-7826f00a62c1)
Cooler Master Elite 310 Cabinet-rs.1826(flipkart)(no need for a nzxt case,at your budget you CANT have a temp problem so might as well save money wherever you can)
Really the eLite 310, over-clocking in this cabinet is a sure shot to raise temperatures of components. The NZXT Gamma is the least OP's requirements dictate if you want to over-clock anything. The Cooler Master has a top mounted SMPS, guess where it will dump all its hot air, on the CPU right below it. Getting cozy aren't we.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Corsair Value select 1333MHz ~ 1200[/font]
Again OP requires ~1600MHz RAM modules to make good on any over-clock gains. Also Intel processors sweet spot is also 1600MHz --> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]WD Caviar blue 250GB ~ 3800[/font]
Again, OP requires a 500GB hard-drive minimum in current days operations. 250GB is a pittance, might as well not buy a hard-drive.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Asus 24x Sata black DVD ~ 1100[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]GPU-amd gigabyte 7750OC-rs.6964[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]cm hyper 212 plus-rs.2500(currently not in stock at flipkart)[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It is available ~2200/- in Nehru Place [Delhi], should be ~2400/- in rest of the country. [/font]
also drop the monitor i said because in your budget what the hell are you gonna need HD res for?your pc sure aint gonna play at that res so might as well drop it and use the money saved to get a hd 6850 which you can get for rs.8800(XFX version,http://www.flipkart....bd-aacf8b182e66)
What about the future and don't tell me OP can watch a 720p / 1080p movie RIP on a 17" screen with comfort.
Also instead of pushing XFX graphics card, OP will be better served with Sapphire / MSi / Gigabyte flavours of the same model as the after sales is better than Rashi Peripherals.
nope have to disagree with both jakob and jugga,why are you suggesting such expensive configs for op when he is on a budget?an AM3+ and 880G based system would do him justice and more so than a h67 and 1155 based one.First:an AMD fx 4100 will let him oc(he can cut back on some things,as i have done below, and buy a hyper 212 cooler),SECOND : shortly games will begin using full quad cores so the amd processor will observe more gains than the i3 which only has SMT and is essentially a dual core.so i fail to understand the choice of an i3 above the 4100.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Mobo-Biostar A880GZ -3673(@flipkart)[/font]
A better RIG for OP will be [consistent performance] for near future applications and gaming [for the next 1 --> 2 years] -- Intel Core i3 2100 ~6500/- ASUS P8H61M-LX ~3500/- G.Skill RIPJAWS 4GB x1 ~1600/- Gigabyte HD 7750 ~6500/- OR Sapphire HD 6850 ~8500/- Corsair CX V2 430W ~2400/- OR Seasonic S12II 430W ~3200/- [the Seasonic S12II model is better due to higher Amperage, so more hard drives can be put easily later down the line without significant problems also more powerful cards will be supported] NZXT Source 210 Elite ~2100/- Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB ~4000/- LG / Samsung OEM DVD drive ~1000/- Dell IN2030M ~6500/- Logitech multimedia combo ~700/-
The Intel core i3 2100 is fine but mobo does not support 6GBps
In that case go for the Intel DH67-BL ~5400/- a slightly more expensive motherboard but it supports SATA III ports and USB 3.0. Though a SATA III based hard-drives have not registered any substantial performance boost over their SATA II brethren.
Corsair any 1333/1600 at price
I would strongly urge you to consider the G.Skill RIPJAWS 1600MHz 4GB x1 ~1600/-, Intel Sandy-Bridge processors perform best at this frequency --> http://www.anandtech...g-the-best-ddr3 / http://www.xbitlabs....ridge-ddr3.html.
Sandy Bridge's improved memory controller has all but eliminated the need for extreme memory bandwidth, at least for this architecture. It's only when you get down to DDR3-1333 that you see a minor performance penalty. The sweet spot appears to be at DDR3-1600, where you will see a minor performance increase over DDR3-1333 with only a slight increase in cost. The performance increase gained by going up to DDR3-1866 or DDR3-2133 isn't nearly as pronounced.
Corsair 500W CX PSU
Instead of this SMPS, go for the Corsair CX V2 430W ~2400/-, the rest of the CX line-up isn't as good as the V2 430W piece --> http://www.jonnyguru...=Story&reid=239
AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE to reduce cost.
That will be counter productive Sire, no point going for the Deneb processor no matter how enticing it seems for the following reasons --
- It runs hotter than the Core i3 line-up.
- Your main purpose of gaming will be better served by the Core i3, even after it is a dual-core.
- The line is now EoL, so no point investing in a dead-end, with the Intel Core i3 on the LGA 1155 package, you can upgrade to Ivy-Bridge ~2 years down the line when they will be cheap and you will start facing a performance cap due to dual-core architecture vis-a-vis multi-core architecture in day-to-day performance.
For monitor, I'd seriously suggest you to check out AOC i2353Ph @ 10.5-11k. Its a beauty. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5469/aoc-i2353ph-ips-for-a-nice-low-price Corsair CX430v2 PSU will be fine. GPU- Stick to 7750 only. For selling your components- You can sell it on the forums also.
Thanks JuGGa, The AOC does look very very good... But I havent heard any reviews about reliability of AOC...Also, have no clue about ASService,warranty etc. Redarding Intel DH67BL-B3 It supports DDR3 1333/1066 MHz RAM... will it be any use putting a 1600 MHz RAM on it? Or will I have to buy a mobo that supports 1600 MHz..
Thanks JuGGa,
The AOC does look very very good...
But I havent heard any reviews about reliability of AOC...
Also, have no clue about ASService,warranty etc.
Redarding Intel DH67BL-B3
It supports DDR3 1333/1066 MHz RAM... will it be any use putting a 1600 MHz RAM on it?
Or will I have to buy a mobo that supports 1600 MHz..
I own an AOC monitor from 2 yrs, and still didn't got any problem. Can't say about ASS, but quality wise they are reliable.
About the RAM, as above said.
yeah alpha what you said was alright but how is the rig with the i3 better in the long run,as you suggest for "the next few years",when games begin utilising full 4 cores in the very near future(only some games do so now),then how do you suggest the i3 will cope up?smt will only get you so far.plus no sata 6gb/s and no 1666 mhz ram because the i3 has the memory controller on die so mobo doesnt anymore "support anything" it depends on the memory controller on the die.
Well I will take opportunity to enlighten certain aspects about multi-core implementation --
- It has been ~4 years since Core2 Quads have opened the multi-core market, the highest core density is by Intel in their Core i7 990X [6 cores, 12 threads].
- Apart from FarCry 2 no other game has shown proper multi-core affinity, forget implementing dual-core properly. Battlefield is playable with a Intel Pentium G 620 + GTX 580 set-up, this clearly shows that the mantle has passed onto the graphics card to provide stable frames.
- The IPC ratio of a Bulldozer vis-a-vis Sandy-Bridge is still very poor. Frankly speaking Bulldozer is a white elephant a pretty big one at that, a higher clocked FX-8150 cannot oust a moderately over-clocked Intel Core i7 2600k also the performance gains over Thuban are also very sketchy.
- http://www.overclock...ews/amd_fx8150/ / http://www.anandtech...d-fx8150-tested / http://www.techradar...-1033315/review / http://www.hardwarec...-review-21.html.
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Unfortunately the same complaints we've had about AMD's processors over the past few years still apply here today: in lightly threaded scenarios, Bulldozer simply does not perform. To make matters worse, in some heavily threaded applications the improvement over the previous generation Phenom II X6 simply isn't enough to justify an upgrade for existing AM3+ platform owners. AMD has released a part that is generally more competitive than its predecessor, but not consistently so. AMD also makes you choose between good single or good multithreaded performance, a tradeoff that we honestly shouldn't have to make in the era of power gating and turbo cores.[/font]
[font=Helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Inevitably the performance of these chips is where they are going to be judged in real terms. [/font]And somewhat inevitably it's something of a disappointment.
[font=Helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It's somewhat inevitable as AMD simply doesn't have the vast research budget of its Silicon Valley rival, Intel. We don't want to start making excuses for AMD though, and the FX-8150 is by no means a bad chip.[/font]
[font=Helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It is definitely the fastest CPU AMD has on the market right now. [/font]Take Intel out of the equation and we'd be lauding the Bulldozer architecture as a truly remarkable thing.
[font=Helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The problem is Intel is most definitely in this equation and we've had this sort of performance, for around this sort of price, since we first clapped benchmarks on Sandy Bridge.[/font]
AMD are quick to boast that Zambezi has two 2 additional cores, a huge chunk of cache, and a lot more megahertz than the competition, but at the moment it doesn't seem like they have been able to squeeze much extra performance from all those bits and bobbles. As it stands, in most instances, AMD are lagging behind Intel when it comes to performance per dollar, performance per watt and performance per square millimeter of die space. The good news for AMD fans is the Pilediver refresh should be arriving in early 2012, albeit in APU form first, and they claim a 10-15% performance increase. However, even that threatens to be totally eclipsed since Intel's upcoming mainstream Ivy Bridge processors are also launching sometime in early 2012.
for these reasons i still fail to see the purpose of an i3 rig,go ahead if you want.also dnt oc on the psu to be safe then,and win 8 is supposed to be bringing some performance gains for the bulldozer proccys to better utilise its module architecture.
For your information, patching of Windows 7 hasn't yielded any ground breaking improvements from Bulldozer chips --
http://www.techpower.../FX8150/14.html / http://www.tomshardw...mance,3119.html.
[font=Verdana, Tahoma,]The nicest thing about working for a site that clearly separates the editorial and sales departments is that the reviewers are able to represent [/font]your[font=Verdana, Tahoma,] best interests without any interference. Yes, we get hardware sent to us, but as you know, we don't hold back when it comes to telling you what we think about the components that land in our lab.[/font]
[font=Verdana, Tahoma,]In this case, we decided to run our complete benchmark suite instead of testing the examples of software that AMD hand-picked as most-affected by Microsoft's scheduling efforts. Old games running at low resolutions, for example, are hardly worth running (beyond their value as synthetics, that is). That's why we spent a few days testing the hardware the way [/font]we [font=Verdana, Tahoma,]would use it. And, at the end, we saw little to no improvement from the evolutionary changes implemented by Microsoft and some of AMD's motherboard partners to help augment performance.[/font]
Hope this explains my stand, Cheers!!
At 35k budget
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]BenQ G2222HDL ~ 7600[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Logiteck MK200 ~ 700[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Mobo-Biostar A880GZ -3673(@flipkart)[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]CPU-AMD Phenom II X4 @ 6.4k[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Seasonic SII 520w ~ 3800[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]NZXT Source elite ~ 2300[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Corsair Value select 1333MHz ~ 1200[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]WD Caviar blue 250GB ~ 3800[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Asus 24x Sata black DVD ~ 1100[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]GPU-AMD HD7770 @ 8.5k[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This would do well. I say stretch 1.5k and grab a 500GB HDD[/font]
Although I will be multitasking, the primary concern will be gaming performance.
The Core i3 built using the Sandy-Bridge architecture decapitates AMD K 10 based quad-cores [Phenom IIx4], at a lower TDP, just go for it the extra cores on the AMD processor will not benefit you, until you start using 3D suites on a day-to-day basis.
Was wondering if I could buy a cheaper H67 B3 motherboard (may be Asus or Gigabyte) other than Intel DH67BL-B3 so I could spend some more on GPU... (HD6850 I'm thinking)
For cheaper budget motherboards [apart from the DH67-BL] these are the following options --
Intel DH61WW ~3200/- [completely lacks any USB 3.0, SATA III ports, no more than 2 DIMMs locked @1333MHz dual-channel]
ASUS P8H61-M PLUS ~3700/- [integrates USB 3.0, SATA III ports, 2 DIMMs and locked @1333MHz dual-channel]
MSi H67MA-E35 ~4800/- [best piece below the DH67-BL but I am wary about the quality of the components used]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]BenQ G2222HDL ~ 7600[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Biostar A880GZ -3673(@flipkart)[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]CPU-AMD Phenom II X4 @ 6.4k[/font]
Not a good choice primarily because of the following reasons --
- BIOStar hasn't got a pan-India service network that I know of.
- The Intel architecture has an edge in power consumption and IPC, OP is not over-clocking so --> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289.
- AMD AM3 platform is officially EoL.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Seasonic SII 520w ~ 3800[/font]
If OP gets the Core i3 2100, he can roll-back to the Corsair CX V2 430W ~2400/- and save some cash here. Also in a cabinet like the NZXT Source 210 Elite OP is already strapped for space and the extra unused cables of the Seasonic SMPS will only add to the chaos.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]NZXT Source elite ~ 2300[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Corsair Value select 1333MHz ~ 1200[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Asus 24x Sata black DVD ~ 1100[/font]
The LG / Samsung OEM drives are just as good, a bit cheaper and the warranty is much easier to andle, not so the case with ASUS products.
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]GPU-AMD HD7770 @ 8.5k[/font]
Will recommend the AMD HD 6850 at the same price point rather than the HD 7770, which is slightly underwhelming in performance aspects. Basis for this --> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750-benchmark,3135-16.html.
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In absolute terms, AMD’s new Radeon HD 7770 matches or is just a little bit slower than the 256-bit GeForce GTX 460 1 GB. AMD should probably just be happy that card is quickly disappearing. A 19 month-old product that gives a brand new value-oriented board a run for its money is a little awkward, after all.[/font][font=Verdana, Tahoma,]
The more painful comparison is to AMD’s own Radeon HD 6850. Generally faster, much less expensive, and still very prolific in the channel, there’s just no contest between the 16 month-old Barts-based board and Radeon HD 7770.