Piracy is Inevitable?

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vij said:
I find it disomforting that it actually doesn't discomfort me :disguise2
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Its not as if I'll loose sleep over it, but yeah - I really don't have any answer for rocky's comments. I wouldn't know where to start :P

@Rocky, just a curiosity on my part. Could you define software piracy please?
 
software piracy with respect to big monopolies like microsoft etc are the very small droplets of revenue they lose because of pirated copies.on the other hand ,some pirates who "demo-ed" microsoft products(for eg.) will buy a genuine license in future.-at least this is true in Europe and Americas -where credit card transactions are the norm.
 
prakashan said:
software piracy with respect to big monopolies like microsoft etc are the very small droplets of revenue they lose because of pirated copies.on the other hand ,some pirates who "demo-ed" microsoft products(for eg.) will buy a genuine license in future.-at least this is true in Europe and Americas -where credit card transactions are the norm.
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What? :S :huh:
 
rocky_pratik said:
I am Proud to be a pirate dude..

I am not a soft engg and btw who told u soft eng earn 25-30k?

I work for a BPO and earn enuff to buy OG Games, but why shud i?

Games are easily available on warez and Torrents so do you think we are ch''' to spend 1000-1500 bucks for a single game?

Tv Shows, Movies and Songs.

Just for eg movie like Phoonk, Chandi Chowk, Tasveer 8x10, etc etc

Is it really worth spending 150-200rs in theatre. A big Noooooooooooooooooo.

So ppl wait for torrent files and download it and watch it at home.

Same goes for Music as well.

Eg- Jai Veeru starring Fardeen and Kunal Khemu-Movie is pathetic and music is also pathetic excluding one song- "Tenu Le"

So do you want us to purchase the Jai Veeru Original Music CD..Bullshit.

I am Pirate and i am proud to be a Pirate.

:D
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Now that's what I am saying, You are basically a thief and proud of the fact. Even if someone gifts you money to buy legit software, you will still pirate. You pirate because you can without any consequences. You wouldn't stop doing it till some a strict law is made to punish piracy with a 10 year jail term or so and start catching pirates seriously. Similarly if laws against stealing are not enforced seriously, you probably wouldn't think twice about shoplifting or burgle houses for what you need. That's basically the typical mentality of most people (and especially so in our country)

But still not everyone feels proud about it like you do and people try to justify the act using whatever reasons they can think of. But the fact is that just is no valid justification for piracy. People do it simply because there are no serious consequences right now. If there were a severe punishment like a 10 year jail term and if it were enforced seriously, people would think twice about pirating even if a software is not so easily available or in spite of how little money they have. Piracy is a necessary evil for many people, but please don't justify that its a good thing.

As for people putting off piracy as if it does not have any impact or that developers don't deserve to be paid for their work, its one thing to pirate and its a total different thing to talk about it in an offhand manner. Software does not come out of a developer's ass. There is a lot of research and effort that goes to developing it and they make it so that they can sell it. I know of several companies that wouldn't have been on the verge of downfall had it not been for piracy. Unlike with physical commodities, there are not enough laws to stop people from stealing software, so people do it.

This is ones of the reasons why software industry is slowly going to adopt a "Pay per use" policy for software. With this model, Soon people would not have anything on their own computer except for a browser. Say for example, if they want to create a word document, they would have to go to the website and pay the rental for a session with their software which loads through the browser. This way people would not have any direct access to an app and they would have pay every time they need to run an app or a game and overall they would pay more than they would with the current model of software distribution.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Now that's what I am saying, You are basically a thief and proud of the fact. Even if someone gifts you money to buy legit software, you will still pirate. You pirate because you can without any consequences. You wouldn't stop doing it till some a strict law is made to punish piracy with a 10 year jail term or so and start catching pirates seriously. Similarly if laws against stealing are not enforced seriously, you probably wouldn't think twice about shoplifting or burgle houses for what you need. That's basically the typical mentality of most people (and especially so in our country)

But still not everyone feels proud about it like you do and people try to justify the act using whatever reasons they can think of. But the fact is that just is no valid justification for piracy. People do it simply because there are no serious consequences right now. If there were a severe punishment like a 10 year jail term and if it were enforced seriously, people would think twice about pirating even if a software is not so easily available or in spite of how little money they have. Piracy is a necessary evil for many people, but please don't justify that its a good thing.

As for people putting off piracy as if it does not have any impact or that developers don't deserve to be paid for their work, its one thing to pirate and its a total different thing to talk about it in an offhand manner. Software does not come out of a developer's ass. There is a lot of research and effort that goes to developing it and they make it so that they can sell it. I know of several companies that wouldn't have been on the verge of downfall had it not been for piracy. Unlike with physical commodities, there are not enough laws to stop people from stealing software, so people do it.

This is ones of the reasons why software industry is slowly going to adopt a "Pay per use" policy for software. With this model, Soon people would not have anything on their own computer except for a browser. Say for example, if they want to create a word document, they would have to go to the website and pay the rental for a session with their software which loads through the browser. This way people would not have any direct access to an app and they would have pay every time they need to run an app or a game and overall they would pay more than they would with the current model of software distribution.
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Hmmm Than you can say i am Proud that i am Thief :tongue:

If someone is giving me money to buy legit software than i will buy legit software but i wont spend my hard earned money for legit software if that software is easily available on torrents :cool2:

According to me Pay per use is not possible..It is gonna stay the way it is..Nothing is gonna change.

BTW ru using OEM version of Windows or Pirated one? :P

Piracy and Corruption goes hand in hand :)
 
Lord Nemesis said:
This is ones of the reasons why software industry is slowly going to adopt a "Pay per use" policy for software. With this model, Soon people would not have anything on their own computer except for a browser. Say for example, if they want to create a word document, they would have to go to the website and pay the rental for a session with their software which loads through the browser. This way people would not have any direct access to an app and they would have pay every time they need to run an app or a game and overall they would pay more than they would with the current model of software distribution.
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Thats the future!!! and thats the closest they can come to reducing piracy ( i think)
 
zhopudey said:
I find it rather discomforting when someone says "Why should I pay for software when I can download it for free" :S :S Specially rocky pratik's comments have put me in such a tizzy that I don't have any reply!
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Whats discomforting in that?

Thats what i feel and i expressed it :D
 
This is ones of the reasons why software industry is slowly going to adopt a "Pay per use" policy for software. With this model, Soon people would not have anything on their own computer except for a browser. Say for example, if they want to create a word document, they would have to go to the website and pay the rental for a session with their software which loads through the browser. This way people would not have any direct access to an app and they would have pay every time they need to run an app or a game and overall they would pay more than they would with the current model of software distribution.
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Sounds something like cloud computing, but in order for that to become a reality, you would need massive bandwidth infrastructure. But you know if what you say turns into a reality say like in the next 10 years. It will change the computing dynamics in developing nations, and make open source software quite potent.

But you see, our favorite company MSFT is against this model, while Google is rooting for the said model. M$ is doing phenomenally well in the current "flawed" model, and so are other countless software companies.

Music piracy is diff ballgame altogether, their current business model is flawed, and the artist have other sources of revenue generation like live performances etc.
 
Say did everyone hear about what happened to pirate bay ? I hear many torrent sites are shutting down. This probably opens the doors to many lawsuits against popular torrent sites.

I guess this will deal a rather bad blow to piracy since the easiest form of piracy (torrents) will be under attack.
 
rocky_pratik said:
Hmmm Than you can say i am Proud that i am Thief :tongue:
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Hats off to you. At the least no one can blame you for being dishonest :hap2: !
No, wait, come to think of it, u're being honest about your dishonesty :rofl: !

Seriously though, I'd think twice about socialising much with ppl with your attitude ( not the pro-piracy thing but the steal if you can slogan). But my guess is the feeling would be mutual :) , so no loss to both of us!
 
IMO none of us is in a position to take the moral high ground with rocky_pratik.

Each and every one of us is a pirate whether big or small...

For professional use at our factory we have bought all the CAD softwares we use.

Personally, I have bought games( also have a modded console :P), I buy lot of training videos I learn from(slight sentiment), I buy movies/music sometimes but they form the minority... I pirate a lot.

@Lord_Nemesis

I know you buy lot of legit copies of games and don't use modded consoles. I guess you also have genuine copy iof windows. But do tell us about your dark pirate side... I am sure theres a nasty pirate hidden in you somewhere... maybe you indulged in piracy in a weak moment on a rainy night :P

No offense man...
 
rocky_pratik said:
You are a student and u get pocket money does not mean you cannot buy..Instead of wasting time here and there earn money from Internet from buy OG Games and Software.

You mean to say i earn to buy OG Games and Softwares? :@ :@

I do have others things to do..

Like khana, peena and many more things which can be discussed here :P

Anyways its my Opinion- I am Proud to be a Pirate.

In my opinion ppl who pay money and buy OG Games are wasting thier own hard money.

EG-Why should i buy Original Kaspersky Antivirus and Kaspersky Internet security when KIS and KAS cracked version is easily available on net and do you think Kaspersky knows whether it is cracked or Original.

Its anyways gonna Protect your system. Cracked or Original. :tongue:
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Liked ur reply but still, if you're earning good in BPO.. and you love games and softwares.. Why don't you get taste of ORIGINAL product instead of downloading it from warez site?

It's not about wasting money.. Developers work hard on it, you should give them the right feedback... :)

I respect your views, everyone has right to say anything.. That's the fact!!
 
Rahulrulez said:
Liked ur reply but still, if you're earning good in BPO.. and you love games and softwares.. Why don't you get taste of ORIGINAL product instead of downloading it from warez site?

It's not about wasting money.. Developers work hard on it, you should give them the right feedback... :)

I respect your views, everyone has right to say anything.. That's the fact!!
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How much is good? Maybe he is not earning as much as he would like to :P
 
vij said:
@Lord_Nemesis

I know you buy lot of legit copies of games and don't use modded consoles. I guess you also have genuine copy iof windows. But do tell us about your dark pirate side... I am sure theres a nasty pirate hidden in you somewhere... maybe you indulged in piracy in a weak moment on a rainy night :P

No offense man...
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Never ever have I said anywhere that I don't pirate. :P But I don't try to justify the act with what ever reason like some try to do, its stealing plain and simple and its as much an immoral act as stealing from a shop. I am definitely not proud about it like rocky and I understand that some company is loosing money when ever me or anyone else pirates.

My point is pain and simple. If you are pirating, then face the fact that you are stealing and not just try to put forth some some seemingly high and mighty justification. Saying stuff like the developers/artists do not deserve to get paid for the stuff they create or that a company is making enough money and that they deserve to be target for piracy or that buying original software waste of money is the kind of crap I am againist. If that is indeed the kind of justifications people wanna make, then more then 3/4 of the TE community who make their make their living from writing software do not deserve to get their pay packets every month.

Not having enough money is the worst possible justification people can make for piracy. Its a reason alright, but not a justification. If someone badly wants a high end phone and cannot afford it, do they feel justified in stealing it from a shop?

It seems my previous post looked like an attack against rocky, but its not. In fact his attitude was a lot better than others. He understands that he is a thief and unlike most he is also proud about. He is at least man enough to accept it. His being proud about it just indicates that his conscience does not bother his as far as stealing is concerned and given the chance, he wouldn't mind extending that practice to other forms of stealing if it saves him his hard earned money.
 
@ m-jeri

Do you work for some Anti-Piracy organization???

I'm glad you buy original stuff and do everything the legitimate way but please don't think you convince everyone else to do the same !



I for one am a college student with no income whatsoever but being an hardcore PC user, tend to download music, software, games & movies because i cant afford to buy them and when I can,I do purchase them every now and then...

So whether your gonna accuse us of being pirates is upto you !

We will continue to be the same until things(affordability) change...

I seriously hope you've conveyed your message and not planing to start yet another thread with a different title to argue bout the same thing...

Not having enough money is the worst possible justification people can make for piracy. Its a reason alright, but not a justification. If someone badly wants a high end phone and cannot afford it, do they feel justified in stealing it from a shop?
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Examples:

Suppose one want's to watch a movie real bad, something that's not released in theaters...

Are you saying a person would prefer saving up and splurging it on a DVD(599/999 bucks) or BD(1k +)???

Or can't he just downloaded the movie being shared by other users???

Software like Adobe Photoshop are expensive...

So one has to save up enough money to buy one and learn to use it?

^ I know they are quirky but I'm trying:ashamed: to make a point here...

In all cases,there are enough no. of ppl who buy original software and make enough contribution to the manufacturers/vendors...

So when one of these buyers shares the same for others who can't really afford to buy the same is enough justification imho !

As such, a person has hundred other expenses every day and he/she definitely has prioritize and think about keeping aside some money to buy legit software etc..

Now,Don't start flaming...
 
Suppose one want's to watch a movie real bad, something that's not released in theaters...

Are you saying a person would prefer saving up and splurging it on a DVD(599/999 bucks) or BD(1k +)???

Or can't he just downloaded the movie being shared by other users???
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That eg. is repeated countless times on the thread;, I cant afford a ferrari, I see an empty convertible on the road, I just try to jack it?

There are millions who cant afford a roof over them, should they just come an occupy your house when no one's there?

The factor on why we dont equate piracy to stealing is because software is an intangible product (something you cant touch, smell etc..) and that punishment is not harsh enough to change our mindset and computing convenience.
 
thetoxicmind said:
@ m-jeri

Do you work for some Anti-Piracy organization???

I'm glad you buy original stuff and do everything the legitimate way but please don't think you convince everyone else to do the same !

I for one am a college student with no income whatsoever but being an hardcore PC user, tend to download music, software, games & movies because i cant afford to buy them and when I can,I do purchase them every now and then...

So whether your gonna accuse us of being pirates is upto you !
We will continue to be the same until things(affordability) change...

I seriously hope you've conveyed your message and not planing to start yet another thread with a different title to argue bout the same thing...

Examples:
Suppose one want's to watch a movie real bad, something that's not released in theaters...
Are you saying a person would prefer saving up and splurging it on a DVD(599/999 bucks) or BD(1k +)???
Or can't he just downloaded the movie being shared by other users???

Software like Adobe Photoshop are expensive...
So one has to save up enough money to buy one and learn to use it?

^ I know they are quirky but I'm trying:ashamed: to make a point here...

In all cases,there are enough no. of ppl who buy original software and make enough contribution to the manufacturers/vendors...
So when one of these buyers shares the same for others who can't really afford to buy the same is enough justification imho !
As such, a person has hundred other expenses every day and he/she definitely has prioritize and think about keeping aside some money to buy legit software etc..

Now,Don't start flaming...
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I completely agree with you.... :)

Lord Nemesis said Pirates are like Thief so we are Theif :P :P
 
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