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The usa has no control or cannot do jack shit about the used F16 planes bought from Jordan. So they cannot count those Ex Jordanian F16.

Yes they do and have. They blocked Jordan from selling old F16's to Pakistan. Listen to the former Pak Def minister from Oct 2017. Nothing has changed since.

So they have control over second hand arms as well as spare parts. Well. that is provided the sellers do not want to endanger their own supply of american arms which i'm assuming all will comply

That FP article added the Jordanian F16 part after many in Twitter questioned her about whether the count included the used F16 and just like that she said she has edited the article to include the Jordanian planes. I mean common don't you think it would have be important to ignore it in the first place. She is just making thing up, with a big fat cheque from the MIL.

I have no idea where she got that as the Paks never got those F16's from Jordan

The FP article says
Of Pakistan’s 76 F-16s, 13 were acquired from Jordan, according to fleet data provided to FP by Aviation Week & Space Technology.

Really ? heh

Ms Seligman is counting non existent jets

 

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Yes they do and have. They blocked Jordan from selling old F16's to Pakistan. Listen to the former Pak Def minister from Oct 2017. Nothing has changed since.

So they have control over second hand arms as well as spare parts. Well. that is provided the sellers do not want to endanger their own supply of american arms which i'm assuming all will comply


I have no idea where she got that as the Paks never got those F16's from Jordan

The FP article says
Of Pakistan’s 76 F-16s, 13 were acquired from Jordan, according to fleet data provided to FP by Aviation Week & Space Technology.

Really ? heh

Ms Seligman is counting non existent jets

Actually Jordanians sold the F-16s A/B Blk-15 in. 2014, the ones pak def minister is talking about is the ones put up for sale again in 2016 which are the same models but with Mid life upgrades better radar, HMC etc.

So if paks are prepared to loose a few air crafts, they will send a plane that is one, better then their JF17 in air to air, two the F-16 would have costed about $15 million in 1997, so a used one will cost even less much less then a new inferior JF-17.

So if you are prepared to loose a few jets against india, a used F-16 makes sense.

 

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India planning 'military action' against Pakistan this month, discloses foreign minister



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Actually Jordanians sold the F-16s A/B Blk-15 in. 2014, the ones pak def minister is talking about is the ones put up for sale again in 2016 which are the same models but with Mid life upgrades better radar, HMC etc.

Getting a count of F16 the paks have has been quite difficult. But this looks like a good one

Total of 71 delivered

Nine have been written off due to various accidents leaving them with 62. How many of those are operational is anyone's guess.

Paks got the 13 from Jordan, then they wanted more from the US which the Indian lobby blocked. Then they tried to get a second batch from Jordan which the Americans blocked. These two blocks aren't documented but can be inferred.

So if paks are prepared to loose a few air crafts, they will send a plane that is one, better then their JF17 in air to air, two the F-16 would have costed about $15 million in 1997, so a used one will cost even less much less then a new inferior JF-17.

So if you are prepared to loose a few jets against india, a used F-16 makes sense.

F16 is their top plane which is why they went to great lengths to conceal the one F16 lost to the Mig. Thing is the Americans have blocked them twice from getting more F16's. Paks will have to look for a new supplier

India getting the S400 means we won't be getting the F35 or even some stealthy UCAV from the US.

F35 would be problematic even without S400

https://www.hindustantimes.com/opin...e-for-india/story-HZbYkoBcUewaTHS0kYRjAL.html

 

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US physically counts Pakistan's F-16 planes, says all F-16s 'present and accounted for': Report
#NLshorts
https://t.co/AXfDAPzY35 https://t.co/0fTKf5eUTI

IAF statement on downed F16, not that any one doubted them

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5:40 IAF has more credible evidence that is indicative of the fact that Pakistan has lost one F16 in the air action on Feb 27 2019, however due to security & confidentiality concerns we are restricting information being shared in the public domain.

In PAF lies & subterfuge, an F-16 tail number & a PAF pilot  —  both hidden to serve a myth



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He says we bought ourselves 3 -5 years of respite

Follow up to the previous vid and just as good

 

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Make in India should be thought of as a long term building up of infrastructure and capabilities many of which are dual use. It may take many years but China will eventually surpass the US in technical competence. India should build up its own capabilities independently.

Yep, All current super powers have one thing in common they make their own weapons. If we want to become one we need to build the infrastructure to produce them, start with electronics, it will benefit both the militarly and for the regular civilian/ consumer industry. We should then put resources to building domestic aircraft and jet engines for both military and civilian planes. A country like brazil makes Embraer jets, why cant we.

A country like Saudi is very rich, with deep pockets but let say no will sell them weapons due to sanctions or other events. If a war occured their ammo will run out in days and their spares will be exhausted, they will be sitting ducks.

Sadly in India, majority of the business are dependent on China, nothing but rebadged products.

 

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Sadly in India, majority of the business are dependent on China, nothing but rebadged products.

It's more like Indians don't want to spend on R&D and want everything ready made and in cheap and bulk quantity. Indian companies don't have any fire to find out how anything is done or to increase quality of products or invent anything. Chinese people on the other hand reverse engineer stuff to find out how it works and what it does if something inside is done differently. They then help others to make stuff, etc by sharing their knowledge easily. This is why patents don't work in china. Their logic is different than west's logic of keeping all knowledge to themselves and making even simple things too complicated or making single use products to drive up sales.

 

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start with electronics, it will benefit both the militarly and for the regular civilian/ consumer industry

I've never understood why the electronics side never took off. It's a huge glaring incapability. Everything down the line gets hobbled because we can't do this. It's going to take heavy govt investment to get this bit going.

 

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If Government provides the right incentives, Indian companies will do just fine with R&D. Companies in a market economy invest in R&D to get a long term return on investment

It's more like Indians don't want to spend on R&D and want everything ready made and in cheap and bulk quantity. Indian companies don't have any fire to find out how anything is done or to increase quality of products or invent anything

The Chinese had put in place policies to allow reverse engineering with little focus on R&D. This has been changing for a while and China now invests a lot in innovation. Soon you will find that China also will want patent protection and the culture of sharing knowledge without criminal penalties will end. China will not be any different from the West in the future as far as their companies intellectual property rights are concerned at least in Indian market

Chinese people on the other hand reverse engineer stuff to find out how it works and what it does if something inside is done differently. They then help others to make stuff, etc by sharing their knowledge easily. This is why patents don't work in china. Their logic is different than west's logic of keeping all knowledge to themselves and making even simple things too complicated or making single use products to drive up sales.

 

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India is at least 30 years behind China when it comes to infrastructure and investments and that gap is only going to increase exponentially from here on out.

 

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^^ Sometimes we hear some analyst say that India this year has a higher growth rate than China.

The real point however is that at our stage of development, China was growing at more than 15% and this sustained for almost three decades. This is the development India needs for at least a generation if we want to end poverty.

Now China is developed and its growth rate has slowed but in absolute terms its growth each year is still more than India since it now has a larger base

Its not a given that the gap will increase exponentially. It can be narrowed.
This is only if India also pursues the path of industrial growth with a single mindedness that China had

 

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How is it possible to convince a local villager in PO J&K that you are Pakistani F16 pilot when your parachute looks like this ?!?!? OMG

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Now China is developed and its growth rate has slowed but in absolute terms its growth each year is still more than India since it now has a larger base

No, China is not a developed country as yet. The goal is they will be so in 2049

 

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Its not a given that the gap will increase exponentially. It can be narrowed.

It can't be narrowed with incompetent morons at the helm, the system is rigged and it won't allow honest or concerned individuals to make a difference.
I have few friends who work in Shanghai and Shenzhen and everytime they come back to India they always tell me we aren't even remotely close to achieving what the Chinese have achieved. I travel frequently between Pune, Mumbai and Bengaluru and all three cities are basically trash imo, except for certain pockets of development all three cities are poorly developed, over-populated, lack basic planning and are probably heading for a future water crisis. Bengaluru traffic is the worst, Mumbai smells of sh*t wherever you go and Pune is bursting at the seams and it seems to be getting hotter every year. Public transport is trash everywhere, our buses look like they're straight out of a demolition derby, short commutes take way too long, heaps of rubbish are everywhere and it gets even more depressing if you drive out of the city to smaller towns.

China has its own set of problems including massive corruption on the local level but at least they have good infrastructure to show for it, all we have is paan-tapris, potholes, encroachments, slums, etc.
We cannot post a video of any Indian city like this one and we probably can't for another 30 years at least.

 

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Chinese have everything from mining rights of raw materials and componets to build them from scratch. China is also larger in area, whiles our cities are getting overcrowded by the day, with ever increasing population.

If we want to build the infrastructure for building things like electronic components, the unpopular things like increased import duties is the only way to achieve it, we do manufacture cars in india with 90 % indian made components.

Next flood of chinese products will be E-vehicles, some like okinawa scooters shamelessly tell its made in India. While companies like Hero electric cannot even manufacture a simple Hub motor, all of them are importing the motors, speed controller and chargers from china and of course batteries. Every other month there is a new rebadged chinese EV scooter product launched in India.

R&D is something lacking in India, look at Tesla which was started after Reva. Mahindra Electric the current owner the less said the better. Mastering a complex engine and gearbox it takes years of refinement to match the Japs and german but a motor with just two bearings and a single moving part, they cannot even do this in India.

 

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China controls 90% of rare earth minerals which go into electronics components. Building a capability similar to China requires investment in this primary/extraction industry. It is polluting and environment groups will oppose. The other point is a industrial policy and protectionism for national security. This will be unpopular and actively opposed by many trade groups who benefit from free trade.

As far as poverty alleviation goes, industrialization is the way used by almost every country. Barring that we have patchwork redistribution like MGNREGA, These schemes do help but the next generation will still remain poor.

If we want to build the infrastructure for building things like electronic components, the unpopular things like increased import duties is the only way to achieve it, we do manufacture cars in india with 90 % indian made components

 

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Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam all have electronics industries. Labour intensive. We have the people at the right price and skills can be learnt. If the US China trade war deepens companies will be wanting to move out of China, we should be ready to offer them a suitable home.

Central Asia has rare earths too mostly untapped. We can try to lease mines. Congo has the cobalt so China gets a lot out of there.

 

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I have few friends who work in Shanghai and Shenzhen and everytime they come back to India they always tell me we aren't even remotely close to achieving what the Chinese have achieved.

It's funny i was thinking the exact opposite. We're free and they're not. They still do not have what we take for granted for over seventy years now. Universal franchise.

It's a total joke when some one from an authoritarian system even dares to say that. Social credits system, trying to wipe out cultures like the Tibetans & Uighurs. An atheist govt wants to regulate religion. This is hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

I travel frequently between Pune, Mumbai and Bengaluru and all three cities are basically trash imo, except for certain pockets of development all three cities are poorly developed, over-populated, lack basic planning and are probably heading for a future water crisis. Bengaluru traffic is the worst, Mumbai smells of sh*t wherever you go and Pune is bursting at the seams and it seems to be getting hotter every year. Public transport is trash everywhere, our buses look like they're straight out of a demolition derby, short commutes take way too long, heaps of rubbish are everywhere and it gets even more depressing if you drive out of the city to smaller towns.

China has its own set of problems including massive corruption on the local level but at least they have good infrastructure to show for it, all we have is paan-tapris, potholes, encroachments, slums, etc.
We cannot post a video of any Indian city like this one and we probably can't for another 30 years at least.

I've had many people tell me this and the one thing can comes across is how shallow & superficial these people are. They think nice buildings equals developed. No, it does not work that way.

You want wider roads, get rid of all properties that border roads. Get people to move where ever they want to build. These people have x time to pack their bags and leave. They will be housed in some tower housing complex somewhere. No, there is not right to protest, you jsut have to go. Get rid of all the slums. heh, just try to do that and watch what happens. When the metro was being built people in good areas demanded they get market rates. Not what the rate was five years ago but the going rate and they fought their cases in the courts and won. I don't see any problems with this at all. Maybe cases could be settled sooner.

We're the world's phramacy, we do a lot of services. Didn't require fancy buildings.

 

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-phase-ends/story-TfaNNru6VMp98hkSBuyPcK.html

Modi ji -

 

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It's a total joke when some one from an authoritarian system even dares to say that.

Yea it's not that bad as they make it out to be, you should get out of the Indian whatsapp network which is just an information bubble, last time I checked on there India had banned all Chinese made products. Things like Tianenmen/Falun Gong/Uighurs/etc are a no-go on social media but there are no other major restrictions as such, heck they can drink beer on the roads if they want to.

Social credits system

We've got caste/reservations and Aadhaar and half the people cannot even afford homes/healthcare/education/public transport so we already have a worse social credits system in place, just not official.

An atheist govt wants to regulate religion.

That's actually a positive considering how religion has been used to divide and conquer. Part of the reason they've succeeded so much is because they haven't wasted time converting people, waging jihad or building temples.

This is hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Nothing more hilarious and sad than Indian politics and news channels.

I've had many people tell me this and the one thing can comes across is how shallow & superficial these people are. They think nice buildings equals developed. No, it does not work that way.

Demanding a cleaner living environment is now considered superficial and shallow ? Is it too much to ask for heaps of rubbish to be picked up, stray cattle to be banned from roads and more public toilets to be built so people don't defecate outdoors ?
China is on a different level altogether on job creation, technologies and infrastructure to the point where we should be comparing with Bangladesh not China. They don't require foreign investments anymore, they are the ones buying out foreign companies. Good infra means efficiency, and time is money for businesses and nobody gets things done faster than the Chinese.
Good infra also leads to good quality of life, people spend hours on commutes everyday and all that frustration spills out occasionally in the form of road rage, they have no time for r&r, there are no recreational spots whatsoever, no place to go for a run and our cities are not pedestrian friendly.
We have a dozen people falling out of local trains every month, ShivSena representatives crawl out of the woodwork every time a shoddily built foot overbridge collapses, they start with the usual Mumbai spirit BS after every monsoon deluge that brings the city to its knees, even the new metro in Bengaluru has had its share of problems since one of the metro pillars on MG road developed cracks a few months back that too after only a couple of years of operation, don't even get me started on the ridiculous BRTS in Pune.
Instead of sucking in propaganda from that Iyer fellow you need to go out and smell the feces my friend, reality is quite different than the one shown on whatsapp.

We're the world's phramacy, we do a lot of services. Didn't require fancy buildings.

We mostly manufacture generics, production of which can be easily moved to some other Asian country like Vietnam. Most service industries will be rendered useless with automation and AI over the next couple of decades. Without innovation, foreign investment and r&d we'll only have more IRS/tech scammers working out of dubious call centers.

 

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