Queries related to passport

[raksrules]

Thanks a ton for all the details. This gives a good idea of what to expect.
Now since I am going to go to get my wife's name endorsed and I plan to carry only my passport and the marriage certificate for verification.
Do you think this will be sufficient ? As per online document advisor it is but is there anything else i can carry to prove I am married to this women ?

Also my marriage certificate was done at the local municipal office in Borivali and has the text as

"MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF GREATER MUMBAI FORM E"

This is the proper marriage certificate right ? I have used this certificate before for opening joint account and aadhaar card as well. Should i also Carry my Eadhaar printout and her receipt (she hasn't got eadhaar yet) since her new name is on the aadhaar application.

 

[raksrules]

Here is how the marriage certificate top...is this proper one ?

 

[codereverser]

@raksrules Looks like the correct one to me. By the way, is there any advantage in getting the spouse's name endorsed in Passport? My wife's passport has my name mentioned in it, but not vice versa as I took mine long time back. Is it worth the trouble or shall I just wait for it to reach the expiry date (2016 or so) and get it done then?

 

[logistopath]

@terence_fdes Thanks a lot for the update. Now I am almost convinced that my wife's application will be rejected for lack of proper address proof. Let me see how it goes.

 

[terence_fdes]

Also my marriage certificate was done at the local municipal office in Borivali and has the text as

"MUNICIPAL CORPORATION OF GREATER MUMBAI FORM E"

This is the proper marriage certificate right ? I have used this certificate before for opening joint account and aadhaar card as well. Should i also Carry my Eadhaar printout and her receipt (she hasn't got eadhaar yet) since her new name is on the aadhaar application.

Should work ..... I dunno (does the Borivali court issue it.... I lived there for nearly 35 years but thot only the family courts at Bandra & Churchgate issued 'marriage certificates/registeration of marriage')

@raksrules........... By the way, is there any advantage in getting the spouse's name endorsed in Passport? My wife's passport has my name mentioned in it, but not vice versa as I took mine long time back. Is it worth the trouble or shall I just wait for it to reach the expiry date (2016 or so) and get it done then?

A "passport" now seemes to be the 'most sacred' document in India.... Yes it's an advantage. If all your papers are clear - "Marriage Certificate/Registeration - Govt certified" then go ahead - else wait till 2016.

@terence_fdes......... Now I am almost convinced that my wife's application will be rejected for lack of proper address proof. Let me see how it goes.

Do not lose hope - get all the possible chain of docs 'notarised/attested' by those useless SEM's/magistrates..... it may help.

None of you guys asked me "How those 'geniuses at the Andheri-PSK' cleared my docs [with my wife's name mentioned in it] !!!
I can only deduce the following reasons:-
- Fresh application provided by a 'male' [yes it's true - for a woman in India, all her major docs - Birth Cert/SSC leaving cert/Educ degrees etc .... she has her earlier maiden name, which 'unfortunately' changes after marriage in 99% cases......so to establish her identity as the 'wife' of X - the "Govt Recognised certificate" is the ONLY doc accepted by the GOI..... In many other cases this rule is NEVER followed/insisted - bank accounts/registeration of a flat jointly/reliance energy bill etc - here they accepted (in my case the Church Marriage Cert).
- In all my chain of docs - my name is the same.
- Joint names were accepted from the "Reliance-Energy" Bill
- They did not bother to 'attach' my Church marriage Certificate to the 'official-file'

Addenda: My colleague's case ( a gujju) - reissue of passport was denied at Malad-PSK this afternoon - for the reason [marriage certificate missing]; now he contacted one of those legal-aid kiosks outside the PSK and got his job done, he later will add his wife's signature & submit it tomorrow. Whereas - I have to be present tomorrow morning at the Andheri-Court (along with my wife) & get this dammed attestment in front of a Magistrate/Notary. I am also notarising my daughter's doc's.

Shit rules will always be made at every turn & twist - so like I said "try getting" as many 'doubtful papers/docs' notarised.

 

[raksrules]

Yes earlier it was only Bandra or so but now at lot of places. Marriage certificate that is.

 

[logistopath]

I do have a valid certificate of marriage registration issued by the municipality. I hope my wife can show that and the address proofs in my name to get things done. One thing I am absolutely sure of is that everything is unpredictable.

 

[abracadabra]

Can anyone tell me how to get an address proof of the place where I live, leaving aside the rental agreement which for me is non existent and taking into consideration the fact of an NRI without any papers or docs to support in India.. If bribing also is the only outcome too.. what options do I have?

 

[puns]

Can anyone tell me how to get an address proof of the place where I live, leaving aside the rental agreement which for me is non existent and taking into consideration the fact of an NRI without any papers or docs to support in India.. If bribing also is the only outcome too.. what options do I have?

seems like bsnl / mtnl phone bill, bank statement and Certificate from Employer of reputed and widely known companies on letter head are easier options. whats the most possible option for you ?

• Water/Telephone (landline or post paid mobile bill)/Electricity bill/Statement of running bank account (Scheduled Commercial bank excluding Regional Rural banks and local area banks)/Income Tax Assessment Order/Election Commission Photo ID card/Gas connection bill/Certificate from Employer of reputed and widely known companies on letter head.
• Spouse's passport copy (First and last page including family details), (provided the applicant's present address matches the address mentioned in the spouse's passport)
• Parent's passport copy, in case of minors (First and last page)
• Applicant's current and valid ration card
• Aadhaar Card

 

[terence_fdes]

Pending tasks Wife & daughters fresh passports [both were rejected yesterday - Marriage affidavit missing]

The Torture & Harassment continue - Was denied entry today at the Andheri-PSK for my wife's passport work [we had sent our daughter to school & wanted to complete hers tomorrow as Thursday is a holiday for her].

Reason: Reached late [apptmt was scribbled for 10:45 am & we reached at 12:15 noon, spent over 90 mins at the Magistrate's Court & prepared 4 affidavits; entries were also made in the court "Notary-Register". later lost 30 mins as my bike was 'towed' by the RTO]. Damages Rs 2200 for the day (affidavits + rto fine) !!!!
Both me & my wife had not noticed the above timing (we were under the impression, that we could walk in anytime as this was a case of 'rejection'). There is just no senior official at this "entry-stage" in a PSK - so no matter of pleading or explanations will work. You have to take all the shit & abuse from a mere "security-personal'. I explained that the courts were closed by the time we would up proceedings yesterday - so how do we generate those affidavits.

Notes:
All corrections/rectifications asked for should be submitted within the next 2 days at the same time as the first appointment was scheduled. I need to go through the rules now to see if it is 'within 2 or 3 days.
Affidavits - many a time these are also generated outside the premises of a court & stamped too & lawyers/advocates may generate fake "register serial nos' [however - if it is not entered in the "Notarial Register" & your own sign on that register, then a smart eye could reject this 'affidavit'].

Tomorrow is D-Day for both my wife & daughter or else we forfeit the money paid.... after that dunno wot

 

[raksrules]

Do we not get appointments for Saturday ? My wife was trying to check and in morning it was showing appointment available for 11-July and now it shows 15-July.

 

[terence_fdes]

Can anyone tell me how to get an address proof of the place where I live, leaving aside the rental agreement which for me is non existent and taking into consideration the fact of an NRI without any papers or docs to support in India.. If bribing also is the only outcome too.. what options do I have?

You need to contact an experienced lawyer..... even on an Affidavit, you will need to substantiate it with at least 1/2 of the docs listed by @puns above.

What is the purpose of this 'address-proof' that you are seeking ?
Are you an NRI - do you already hold a foreign passport ?

Certificate from Employer of reputed and widely known companies on letter head are easier options ?

If OP seeks the 'address-proof' for "passport purposes" then the above will be accepted only if it is from a PSU or Nationalised banks (rest all are not considered)[DOUBLEPOST=1372856278][/DOUBLEPOST]

Do we not get appointments for Saturday ? My wife was trying to check and in morning it was showing appointment available for 11-July and now it shows 15-July.

Sat/Sun - the babu's need to rest their brainz

 

[logistopath]

@terence_fdes Sorry to hear that. But putting down your experience here is really helping others be prepared. Thanks for that. My status will be known next week by this time..

 

[abracadabra]

@puns i am aware of these documents from the passport website of india.. but that does not help to show where i live.
Water bill/ Telephone/EB bill; both are aint on my name.
Bank account - NIL in India
IT/ EC Card/ Gas - N/A
I do not work here, so no letter from the employer
Ration and Aadhar - Not in my reach

@terence_fdes my passport of India was issued not in India, what problem happened is that i have shorter than 6 months of validity to travel abroad and get it renewed over there. I was stopped at the airport and i had to haggle with AFRO, those emigration bunch of crooks at Mumbai, who in turn finally told i cant travel until i get a passport issued here in india. I was here just for my education and as it is over i wanted to rejoin with my parents.

 

[terence_fdes]

@puns i am aware of these documents from the passport website of india.. but that does not help to show where i live.
Water bill/ Telephone/EB bill; both are aint on my name.
Bank account - NIL in India
IT/ EC Card/ Gas - N/A
I do not work here, so no letter from the employer
Ration and Aadhar - Not in my reach

@terence_fdes my passport of India was issued not in India, what problem happened is that i have shorter than 6 months of validity to travel abroad and get it renewed over there. I was stopped at the airport and i had to haggle with AFRO, those emigration bunch of crooks at Mumbai, who in turn finally told i cant travel until i get a passport issued here in india. I was here just for my education and as it is over i wanted to rejoin with my parents.

Different sets of people will keep making their own rules.

What lies in your hands is an "valid passport" which is due to expire in 6 months (right) ?

You will need to contact a lawyer who understands & specialises in "Immigration & Emmigration" related issues (as yours falls in this category).
ECR/Non-ECR page (previously ECNR) - What is the status of this in your existing passport ?
Were you born outside India ?
Is your D.O.Birth before 26/01/1989 ?

Create your login on the passport website and then - check on "Document Advisor" - chose as many/all fields that are applicable to you & then see "view required documents"

 

[djmykey]

@terence_fdes Did you not have your local municipality marriage certificate ? That would have worked in this situation. Also even if you have been married a long time back, its a matter of a small chai - paani and then you can get the certificate. I vividly remember this coz a friend of mine got his marriage cert when his kid was 4 yrs old. Generating Affidavits are a PIA

 

[terence_fdes]

@terence_fdes
Did you not have your local municipality marriage certificate ? That would have worked in this situation.

No.... We just had our Church Registered Marriage Certificate (dated 1999). Which was until today accepted everywhere (within Mumbai/Maharashtra). We ran into a roadblock with the GOI-Passport Officials. Let me also tell you that "the Church Marriage Cert" is a document that is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain fraudulently (no amount of money in the world will ever give you this document.... there are lengthy rules and procedures to be followed before the Church grants any couple this certificate).

Also even if you have been married a long time back, its a matter of a small chai - paani and then you can get the certificate. I vividly remember this coz a friend of mine got his marriage cert when his kid was 4 yrs old. Generating Affidavits are a PIA

Dunno if I can get a 'valid BMC certificate of marriage' with some chai-paani alone. The Advocate we spoke too yesterday said it will cost us around 3.5k & need 3 witnesses & the whole procedure takes a month at least [from the Khar courts]. We will need to get this document sooner or later.

"Affidavits" & 'notarising' documents are a PIA - YES ..... this is a shitty legacy we carry from the British-Raj. It serves ONLY a temporary purpose & has validity for 6 months [it is a major source of income to the entire chain of individuals whose lives are dependent on it - advocates/lawyers/court clerks/the typists/xerox guys/magistrates.....]. I do not see this dissapearing at all.

I had to get 2 original sets of Affidavits on Stamp-paper for my Marriage [one each for my wife & daughter's files]; another "Minor-Affidavit" for my daughter stating that we are her parents; and the last Affidavit - stating my wife's date/place of birth (the original SSLC is misplaced/missing). We also need to sort out the latter & get another "affidavit" for the school to re-issue a fresh SSLC.

I hope that for the time being the existing affidavits will take care of my wife & daughter's passports.

Will keep you guys updated. Appmt scheduled today (last chance) is 10:45 & 11 am.

 

[djmykey]

No.... We just had our Church Registered Marriage Certificate (dated 1999). Which was until today accepted everywhere (within Mumbai/Maharashtra). We ran into a roadblock with the GOI-Passport Officials. Let me also tell you that "the Church Marriage Cert" is a document that is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain fraudulently (no amount of money in the world will ever give you this document.... there are lengthy rules and procedures to be followed before the Church grants any couple this certificate).

This is really painful. I know churches do not just dish out marriage certificates. On second thought, you must get your marriage certificate, even if it costs money and will be an hassle. Trust me this document will be a boon in the long run.

 

[raksrules]

I can tell you i got my marriage certificate done right there in the Borivali Municipal office (located just opposite the Dahisar side station exit on west) and it was immediate. All i needed was, photos of me and my wife, letter from the pandit who did the ceremony, 2 witnesses and yes one dabba of mithai (actual mithai, not money), it was done then and there i was out with the certificate. This is the certificate @terence_fdes you should get as this can be used anywhere. I have used for Aadhaar, US Dependent Visa. Opening joint account and such.

 

[abracadabra]

Different sets of people will keep making their own rules.

What lies in your hands is an "valid passport" which is due to expire in 6 months (right) ?

You will need to contact a lawyer who understands & specialises in "Immigration & Emmigration" related issues (as yours falls in this category).
ECR/Non-ECR page (previously ECNR) - What is the status of this in your existing passport ?
Were you born outside India ?
Is your D.O.Birth before 26/01/1989 ?

Create your login on the passport website and then - check on "Document Advisor" - chose as many/all fields that are applicable to you & then see "view required documents"

My Passport has around 4 more months validity remaining. I fall under the NON ECNR cateogory, yes born outside India and DOB is before mentioned date.

Doc Advisor Recommends

1. Old Passport in original with self-attested photocopy of its first two and last two pages, including ECR/Non-ECR page (previously ECNR) and the page of observation (if any), made by Passport Issuing Authority and validity extension page, if any, in respect of short validity passport
2.Verification Certificate as per the specimen as per Annexure 'F'
3.Standard Affidavit as per Annexure 'I'
4.Proof Of Present Address

I did check the docs that are required using the Doc Advisor, but fall short of one major "Present Address Proof". To verify that I dont have any valid docs. That is all the cause of my worry