Reggae in colleges.

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rdst_1 said:
You must be really naive thinking that policeman at these Nakas are just trying to enforce the law. What they do is try to coerce you to pay them money and that is why they ask you such questions. The moment you are uncomfortable answering them or tell them it is none of their business(because it actually ain't), you will be asked to come out and a challan will be issued for a crime they make up from their figment of imagination.

Just a day before Diwali, I was stopped by policeman. I was told that I had run a red light, which I knew I hadn't. Despite me being innocent, a challan was issued just because I refused to pay 'Diwali' to the policeman.

Tell me which is worse in your eyes.
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Oh boy. I already told you, the police do not (ideally) have the right to ask you unnecessary details. And what they do in real life is a separate issue. Registering false cases and all that is obviously bad. How does this justify ragging though ?
 
rdst_1 said:
And by knowing where I live and what my dad does they can ascertain that I am not a criminal. If that is what you just said, then your school of thought is absurd to say the least.

If they are probing for alcohol they should do a breath analyzer test. They don't need to know my family background for that.
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You will start to lie, if you are not what you are saying, and they will catch you. Or your body language. How this helps in college, by asking personal questions.

You and DeXBG are misconstruing the argument by bring in the cop-angle. There is no relation what so ever. Why they come close to your face when questioning, the cops. Is this about cops..? Please.
 
asingh said:
Well the way you answered those 10 points of mine, it made it sound like that. What should I incur. :) What if someone does not want to tell about their background and wants to remain aloof. There is a huge gamut of people like that out there. This is societal to India: Where privacy is negligible and frowned upon, and people think they have a right to know about others, what ever it may be. What if someone is embarrassed about their background. In these sessions did they have an option to refuse...? I doubt it. Today nothing will change if you put all your lives detail on the web (like FB); but we do it out of own free will. What a ruckus is thrown when something without our permission is published. Is that not being forced, in ragging. That is what happens in ragging. People are told to do things, which they might not want to, or asked questions about information they might not want to divulge. It is a basic human right to retain, mask ones information (unless say a court of law); why is it forced. I abhor the fact to tell people where I am from, or my family background when questioned. Out of my free will, ok I can. That choice cannot be exercised in ragging. Ragging is a message, it it no communication. One way channel.

There are a million different types of personalities then .. honestly can't keep everyone happy .. Some(few) may like the whole process .. many would be revolted .. but no one complains looking back .. (leave out the extreme exceptions)

Letting someone do what they want, is not coddling. Why we pamper babies. Should we bash them around to make them strong. What...? It is known as free will, and non-subjugation of rights and privacy and activities, which are controlled during ragging, and monitored. A mental jerk is far worse than a physical slap, ragging does that.

No one is stopping your from doing what you want .. except maybe making your junior wear proper formals til the freshers party which is acceptable I believe .. don't bring in babies ok .. cmon ..
Even children are disciplined other wise we know very well how they can turn out.

No, you have it wrong. Humans, can bond on goodwill. Have you fought with all your relatives and your parents, that created a harmonious relationship between you all. Did you make your friends, by first fighting with them. Society is a great example of how people will bond if left to their own devices. They will fight too, but peace has it mertis.

I have fought with my sibliing growing up and I have better relationship with them than the other cousins who I rarely spoke to :)
Fighting is an extreme example to use .. we go through this many times in our lives .. a horribly strict teacher .. a demented Manager or TL. We learn its better to survive by huddling together. Unless you want to be the teachers pet.

I really will not answer to that. It is obvious what school of thought you are from. Are you in the military or what..? :) What standard...was your college not for education, or was it for image of seniors...?

I am not from a Military background, far from it .. what I described is one example that happens only for a short while till the freshers party happened 30-40 days .. after that it was pretty chill .. I was pointing out that the reason behind most seniors "rag" .. one set of seniors can't appear soft while the other is trying to enforce some discipline defeats the whole purpose.

And how would the seniors prevent this. Dog-eat-dog. No one is better.
Even we had arguments and before things came to blow we always sought mediation from seniors .. if some people were at odds it was a seniors responsibility to create peace.

Is that a crux or a resultant. I really do not get it. People "can" study on their own. How do day-scholars manage it. How is it happening abroad, without the stigma of ragging.
Day scholars come to the hostel to study .. during exam days .. :)
For any difficult subject there was always a senior who had aced it the year before
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All I am trying to say is why do people put up with the same things at other points in life. Why isn't there a law against that and if there is, why isn't it enforced with more rigor and given the same stage as ragging in colleges.

Why is a policeman entitled to get answers to the same questions, when they are of no consequence to the case at hand.
 
rdst_1 said:
You must be really naive thinking that policeman at these Nakas are just trying to enforce the law. What they do is try to coerce you to pay them money and that is why they ask you such questions. The moment you are uncomfortable answering them or tell them it is none of their business(because it actually ain't), you will be asked to come out and a challan will be issued for a crime they make up from their figment of imagination.

Just a day before Diwali, I was stopped by policeman. I was told that I had run a red light, which I knew I hadn't. Despite me being innocent, a challan was issued just because I refused to pay 'Diwali' to the policeman.

Tell me which is worse in your eyes.
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Challenge that Challan in court .. I think that's possible.. if you were innocent and believe in the righteousness of law.
 
rdst_1 said:
All I am trying to say is why do people put up with the same things at other points in life. Why isn't there a law against that and if there is, why isn't it enforced with more rigor and given the same stage as ragging in colleges.

Why is a policeman entitled to get answers to the same questions, when they are of no consequence to the case at hand.
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Dunno if there is a law against police bullying and your right to withhold personal info. which is of no relevance. If there isn't, there should be one. The fact that such a law isn't enforced doesn't justify ragging in any manner.
 
asingh said:
You will start to lie, if you are not what you are saying, and they will catch you. Or your body language. How this helps in college, by asking personal questions.

You and DeXBG are misconstruing the argument by bring in the cop-angle. There is no relation what so ever. Why they come close to your face when questioning, the cops. Is this about cops..? Please.
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The cop thing is a bad example .. to be used BOTH way in this discussion .
 
My college doesn't have one bit of ragging. There are boards everywhere about ragging and warning students against it.
 
dexBG said:
Challenge that Challan in court .. I think that's possible.. if you were innocent and believe in the righteousness of law.
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I was gonna, until the lawyer advised me against it because it would have taken at least a year to get a result, not to mention the chances of being harassed further by the cop who issued the challan.
I would still have gone through with it, but my Dad didn't let me. I am gonna leave for studies abroad and he didn't want any unnecessary complications.
 
Where I come from (Andhra), ragging can get really ugly. People have lost their limbs and even their lives to ragging. I remember a case of seniors forcing their juniors to perform oral sex on them. Some of them succumbed. The ones who didn't were beaten up badly.

I also remember reading in the news that senior girls at a certain medical college would press their juniors' tits and would declare if they would have a boyfriend or not based on how soft their tits were. Gosh.

BTW, aren't there any chicks on these forums ? :P
 
after one year of torturous ragging in my college by my seniors both mentally and physically , fate brought me to become roomates with them in the hostel !!!

muahahhahahhahahha, didnt i have fun for the next 4 years :D , one of them quit the room because he couldnt take it anymore ..,we became really close friends after that year , now i hardly see seniors and juniors have any interaction watsoever though
 
OinkBoink said:
Aww.....come on man. A chick who gets butt hurt over some tit talk isn't a chick worth knowing anyway. :P
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Tech forum is not the place to find chicks.
 
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