Reggae in colleges.

[asingh]

@dexBG : I'll just put in a basic summary, cause we will never agree. No point dragging this on.

All I can say, I know a lot of people who complain and still have harrowing experiences of ragging. Even if this is a mere 1%, but it is still there. I was not talking about stopping people from what they do not want to do, but forcing them. They are pushed into doing something. I hardly saw seniors politely requesting. Children can be disciplined without the rod too..! An am not answering about the good-will of seniors and them helping. That has nothing to do with this. You primary argument is that, ragging teaches people things. I will never agree to that. It is not needed at all.

 

[mitraark]

dexBG : I'll just put in a basic summary, cause we will never agree. No point dragging this on.

All I can say, I know a lot of people who complain and still have harrowing experiences of ragging. Even if this is a mere 1%, but it is still there. I was not talking about stopping people from what they do not want to do, but forcing them. They are pushed into doing something. I hardly saw seniors politely requesting. Children can be disciplined without the rod too..! An am not answering about the good-will of seniors and them helping. That has nothing to do with this. You primary argument is that, ragging teaches people things. I will never agree to that. It is not needed at all.

What is significant here is the actual meaning "ragging" . I would also say "ragging" actually casts otherwise timid juniors into stronger persons, no matter how much they whine at the beginning, towards the end they take it sportingly. But some seniors exceed the limits of sanity, they do unthinkable, violent things in the name of ragging, which is why the word "ragging' has become a taboo in the first place.

 

[OinkBoink]

What I find irritating is people rationalising to themselves that since ragging (supposedly) makes juniors stronger (honestly it just makes me irritated and dislike the senior even more), it's okay to an extent. They don't get that it almost always crosses its limits. Would you talk the way you talk to your juniors to an ordinary person in the outside world ? Pretty sure you'll get knocked out even if the guy is younger than you.

There is absolutely NO NEED for ragging for anything. It is not your business to go about making people stronger (in your eyes). What if I refuse to 'be made stronger' ? Would you as a senior have the strength to accept that ? In 90+ % of cases, refusing to comply with your seniors in getting ragged will cost you. This, in itself, says something about the nature of ragging.

If you're ragging your juniors to make them stronger, first have the balls and the strength to fully accept it when they say NO.

 

[blkrb0t]

If you're ragging your juniors to make them stronger, first have the balls and the strength to fully accept it when they say NO.

That's the catch. When a junior refuses, it becomes a question of pride for the seniors, especially when they get rejected in front of their their friend circle. Then they go around doing all the shit which they probably didn't think they'd do, but they will.

It's better that seniors take the initiative and visit their juniors' classroom and have formal introductions, or at the freshers party. Don't go poking around trying to be the Complan drink to the juniors to make them stronger.

 

[dexBG]

What I find irritating is people rationalising to themselves that since ragging (supposedly) makes juniors stronger (honestly it just makes me irritated and dislike the senior even more), it's okay to an extent. They don't get that it almost always crosses its limits. Would you talk the way you talk to your juniors to an ordinary person in the outside world ? Pretty sure you'll get knocked out even if the guy is younger than you.

There is absolutely NO NEED for ragging for anything. It is not your business to go about making people stronger (in your eyes). What if I refuse to 'be made stronger' ? Would you as a senior have the strength to accept that ? In 90+ % of cases, refusing to comply with your seniors in getting ragged will cost you. This, in itself, says something about the nature of ragging.

If you're ragging your juniors to make them stronger, first have the balls and the strength to fully accept it when they say NO.

Hosteler or Day Scholar ?

and I find irritating that people use extreme examples to banish any form of ragging even a frigging intro session. Yes it does crosses the limits and more importantly you get to know what you're limits are .. dont get obsessed over the word stronger .. its a natural outcome of any harsh situation.. you can clamp down your mind all your life and block out any unpleasantries .. thats your life.

Saying NO because you're an ass is different from saying NO because you really don't want to .

 

[avi]

Ragging is like mental rape guys. It always involves mental/physical [and sometimes sexual] harassment. And the people who enjoy inciting such pain in others are big bullies & pussies who do not have balls.

There is no such thing as mild ragging LOL. Can there be thing as mild rape ? So do you guys endorse mild rape then ?

 

[dexBG]

Ragging is like mental rape guys. It always involves mental/physical [and sometimes sexual] harassment. And the people who enjoy inciting such pain in others are big bullies & pussies who do not have balls.

There is no such thing as mild ragging LOL. Can there be thing as mild rape ? So do you guys endorse mild rape then ?

Please don't thrown in such bizarre extreme comparisons ..nobody is favoring the bullying and torture that used to happen sometimes.

If you can define mild for every person on the planet then I can tell you whether mild ragging can exist

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That's the catch. When a junior refuses, it becomes a question of pride for the seniors, especially when they get rejected in front of their their friend circle. Then they go around doing all the shit which they probably didn't think they'd do, but they will.

It's better that seniors take the initiative and visit their juniors' classroom and have formal introductions, or at the freshers party. Don't go poking around trying to be the Complan drink to the juniors to make them stronger.

Yes all that you are talking about is also done .. and if by any chance a particular group is asked to introduce themselves to a group of seniors then its ragging!, instead of the senior going to a junior classroom. Its quite easy to tell when and why a person says no .. especially if you're 18.

Intros work both ways .. after a junior gives his intro its the responsibility of the senior to give his as well .. and please drop the Complan metaphor if you don't fully understand it.

 

[Xavier]

Saying NO because you're an ass is different from saying NO because you really don't want to .

Either way, isn't it the prerogative of the person (the junior in this case) whether to elicit a response or not? And in most cases, a simple 'No' is taken as a sign of disrespect, is it not?

 

[dexBG]

Either way, isn't it the prerogative of the person (the junior in this case) whether to elicit a response or not? And in most cases, a simple 'No' is taken as a sign of disrespect, is it not?

I agree .. and its not the this goes on for full 4 yrs of college .. few weeks to a month and its not like a particular person is singled out out of this entire batch ..

There are always guys who think they are too cool to be asked questions for seniors and act tough ..

A senior's ego wont be boosted if you answer his or her question or do something they ask .. but your's wont go down either if you do.

eg. if you;re asked your hobbies -
you say singing - they ask you to sing
you say cricket - they ask you to play air cricket
you say studying - they ask you ridiculous questions.

if people carry around their delicate egos n emotions in their pocket first day of college they some are bound to get bruised.

Like it or not there is a system to it .. a rite of passage to put it most simply. Once you have your freshers .. life turns out a whole lot better.
Its a drastic change for many .. when after years of school and family environment they realize that "you're on your own" and yes college is still a pretty controlled environment.

Forcing someone to smoke or drink etc even when they say no is absolutely deplorable ..

If people go into college with the attitude that ragging is bad and they will obviously be on their defensive even if someone asks them their name .. dragging a right to privacy argument and taking the moral high-ground will only make you an outcast.. some choose to live that way.. its their decision. But the rest of your life doesn't get easier ..

Looking at the freshers who join my team .. its easy to tell what kind of college experience they had .. as they tend to drag the same behavior into their work environment as well. Its not about being submissive .. a person who has been ragged knows better how to handle being submissive IF I MAY SO BOLDLY SAY

again .. not here supporting physical/sexual abuse and bullying or relentlessly targetting some one. There are instances when certain psychopaths go out of hand and resort to these things .. No one should turn a blind eye to this because its done under the pretense of ragging.. because it absolutely isn't.

Hazing I believe is a more accurate term, since ragging has been demonized so much.

 

[OinkBoink]

I lived for 5 years in a hostel. Not as a day scholar. Okay dexBG, you, as my hypothetical senior, ask me if I like music. I say yes. You ask me my fav. bands. I tell you. You ask me to sing. I say no. Would you accept that ?

Even if YOU would, most seniors wouldn't. What's wrong in singing? Nothing. But you can't elicit the kind of responses you want from my body when I don't want to do those things whatever the reason may be.

As a rite of passage, students can indulge themselves in an activity if it is based on mutual consent. If I don't consent to it, my seniors should just get the hell out of my way.

As for people who act tough to their seniors (or anyone), well, such people aren't likeable anyway.

But you also have to understand that some people act tough because they just don't want to be pushed around. I hope no one comes up with a silly argument about how you have to listen to what your boss says.

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a person who has been ragged knows better how to handle being submissive IF I MAY SO BOLDLY SAY

So do people who've engaged in BDSM.

 

[dexBG]

I lived for 5 years in a hostel. Not as a day scholar. Okay dexBG, you, as my hypothetical senior, ask me if I like music. I say yes. You ask me my fav. bands. I tell you. You ask me to sing. I say no. Would you accept that ?

Even if YOU would, most seniors wouldn't. What's wrong in singing? Nothing. But you can't elicit the kind of responses you want from my body when I don't want to do those things whatever the reason may be.

As a rite of passage, students can indulge themselves in an activity if it is based on mutual consent. If I don't consent to it, my seniors should just get the hell out of my way.

As for people who act tough to their seniors (or anyone), well, such people aren't likeable anyway.

But you also have to understand that some people act tough because they just don't want to be pushed around. I hope no one comes up with a silly argument about how you have to listen to what your boss says.

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So do people who've engaged in BDSM.

keeps your kinkys away ..

Asking someone to sing is not trying to illicit some unnatural response from the human body .. if someone doesn't want to sing .. I would want to know why they don't want to sing .. this part matters more as it shows your attitude.
I have the least bit of interest in listening to some one piece together a melody .. its the response that matters.

lets see how many situations you can get out of by acting tough out in the real world .. adapting to a situation is as important a characteristic ..

Acting tough to avoid being pushed around will land in college you even more tough situation ..

A rite of passage largely isn't to your choosing .. that's the whole point of it

 

[asingh]

^^
How old are you, by the way. And which city was you college in.

 

[avi]

a person who has been ragged knows better how to handle being submissive IF I MAY SO BOLDLY SAY

:bsflag::rofl:

 

[OinkBoink]

keeps your kinkys away ..

Asking someone to sing is not trying to illicit some unnatural response from the human body .. if someone doesn't want to sing .. I would want to know why they don't want to sing .. this part matters more as it shows your attitude.
I have the least bit of interest in listening to some one piece together a melody .. its the response that matters.

lets see how many situations you can get out of by acting tough out in the real world .. adapting to a situation is as important a characteristic ..

Acting tough to avoid being pushed around will land in college you even more tough situation ..

A rite of passage largely isn't to your choosing .. that's the whole point of it

I mentioned that it isn't an unnatural response. But I also mentioned that it is my business to respond (or not) to a random stranger. I never said being tough would always get you through life. I said why some people, in some cases, act tough. A college isn't some 'blood brothers' organisation to have a stringent rite of passage. That's not why you go to college.

 

[dexBG]

^^
how old are you, by the way. And which city was you college in.

26/gzb

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I mentioned that it isn't an unnatural response. But I also mentioned that it is my business to respond (or not) to a random stranger. I never said being tough would always get you through life. I said why some people, in some cases, act tough. A college isn't some 'blood brothers' organisation to have a stringent rite of passage. That's not why you go to college.

I mentioned that it isn't an unnatural response. But I also mentioned that it is my business to respond (or not) to a random stranger. I never said being tough would always get you through life. I said why some people, in some cases, act tough. A college isn't some 'blood brothers' organisation to have a stringent rite of passage. That's not why you go to college.

Its totally your business to not respond and choose how to respond.. but there is no actual harm in giving a proper response too, some good might actually come of it.
The situation can be handled both ways ..


Again no one said its some cult .. so don't bring that in ..I clearly mentioned that "a rite of passage" is only a mere simplification of this matter so don't drag it out in the literal sense..

I'd love to see know the number of hours people spend studying in college .. since that's what college is for right, higher education.

 

[asingh]

26/gzb

Well anyways, I am finding your responses and approach to this extremely irritating and pissing off. So will leave it at that.

 

[Sei]

While I was expecting a lot to happen (ragging), nothing really happened. Our college had put the fear into each and everyone about ragging. No one dared to.

I was just 20 days into my first semester in college and had gone to the a small restaurant (mess) to eat. A bag was lying there. I looked around to see whose bag it was, and suddenly a guy (sitting in a group of 3) got up and apologised for leaving his bag there. I could see the name of the book that was halfway out of the bag - it was from 3rd year 2nd sem (6th semester). Now, I was all speechless (and slightly concerned) and they either didn't notice or didn't care!

Obviously, the main drawback was that I missed out on knowing many of my seniors who I know are great people to be in touch with. The same case with many of my juniors. I barely know anyone except people from my own batch.

 

[letmein]

Asking someone to sing is not trying to illicit some unnatural response from the human body .. if someone doesn't want to sing .. I would want to know why they don't want to sing .. this part matters more as it shows your attitude.

Why? You're just one of the hundreds of people I would meet in college. Why should I have to explain to you why I don't want to sing?

 

[dexBG]

Well anyways, I am finding your responses and approach to this extremely irritating and pissing off. So will leave it at that.

care to explain precisely why ?

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Why? You're just one of the hundreds of people I would meet in college. Why should I have to explain to you why I don't want to sing?

I wish I could answer that with out repeating my last 10 posts .. so as I understand people have the opinion that a senior in college is just another person who should be treated as mundanely as any one else you meet in life .. not much to be said beyond that.

I believe and have experienced differently ..

 

[letmein]

I wish I could answer that with out repeating my last 10 posts .. so as I understand people have the opinion that a senior in college is just another person who should be treated as mundanely as any one else you meet in life .. not much to be said beyond that.

I believe and have experienced differently ..

Yes. Why should I put a 'senior' on a pedestal? Tell me, if we were living in the same neighborhood (and I didn't know you), and I came up to you and asked you all these questions and then asked you to sing/dance/act, would you have done it? Or would you have treated me 'mundanely' too?