CPU/Mobo Suggestion - Intel Xeon Processor E3-1275 v/s Intel i7 3770

[TheIndian]

Given that i7 and Xeon both retail for the same price.... would a deal on XEON always mean that it would be cheaper than i7??

BTW: I was planning to go for
GA-B75M-D3H
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4150#ov

AFAIK the XEON never retails for the same price as the equivalent PC component, there is always a premium on them. On newegg the prices are U$ 370 and U$290 - I suspect there would be a similar difference in India too.

Before finalizing any mobo, I would reconfirm if the mobo specifically supports Xeon range. I am no expert on this, but I do recall reading somewhere in the distant past that all mobos did not support the equivalent Xeon processors. Things could have changed since then.

From the mobo you mentioned. Support for Intel® Core™ i7 processors/Intel® Core™ i5 processors/ Intel® Core™ i3 processors/Intel®Pentium® processors/Intel® Celeron® processors in the LGA1155 package

 

[hitesh12]

Given that i7 and Xeon both retail for the same price.... would a deal on XEON always mean that it would be cheaper than i7??

BTW: I was planning to go for
GA-B75M-D3H
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4150#ov

Go for it

 

[terence_fdes]

Whoa, whoa where are we now

I have always used and understood the capabilities of a Xeon (and more so Dual-Xeon's on Workstation boards & Servers). This is where they perform best (in tandem) and on workstation/server boards - where oftentimes the system is on 24x7. All this meant EXTRA & LOTS OF MONEY (not to forget our ECC RAM too)

The E3-1275 was created as for the single-socket server & workstation space. Intel tried their best to market this as a "cheap" alternative to businesses who could not afford the Dual proc + workstation boards. This was the cheapest & fastest workstation SKU at that time.

This does not mean that they cannot be used in Home PC's.

At my work I use Dual E5649 on an Intel S5520SC board with 48GB RAM & a Quadro5000.

Personally, I would go ahead with the 3770K rather than the Xeon.

Only if you are satisfied with all the R&D between the Sandybridge & Ivybridge vis-a-vis the specific motherboard & RAM then go ahead (saving 25% of the money should not be a criteria). The proc under consideration was launched in Q2'11 and the i7 in Q2'12. In future this Xeon will have a lower resale attention & value than the i7 (should you chose to sell it).

A summary of plus points for the 3770k
- more recent (hence better resale value)
- has PCIe 3.0
- Max TDP of 77W vs 95 for the Xeon
- better memory bandwith 25.6GB/s vs 21GB/s
- can use RAM all the way upto

Meanwhile Haswell is due this year

Cheers
Terry

Would love to see a comparitive analysis between these two procs & also with the Giga board in question....any links ?

 

[vercetti]

Thanks @terence_fdes

Since you gave a Summary of Cons...let me give a summary of Pro's

• Base Graphic frequency on Xeon 1275 Sandy bridge - 850Mhz opposed to 650Mhz in i3770
• Same for Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency where Xeon leads.
• Supports ECC, works with Non ECC as well.
• P3000 GPU Arch

Moreover, I am planning to upgrade haswell if the price is right (in 2 months). So I am planning to get the Xeon at a great price so resale won't be an issue

My only dilemma is that 1600MBPS RAMS may not work totally with the Sandy bridge Xeon

Don't have exacts link to what u want but the below might help:
http://www.tonymacx86.com/mountain-...astly-success-gigabyte-ga-b75m-d3h-100-a.html

Only if you are satisfied with all the R&D between the Sandybridge & Ivybridge vis-a-vis the specific motherboard & RAM then go ahead (saving 25% of the money should not be a criteria). The proc under consideration was launched in Q2'11 and the i7 in Q2'12. In future this Xeon will have a lower resale attention & value than the i7 (should you chose to sell it).

A summary of plus points for the 3770k
- more recent (hence better resale value)
- has PCIe 3.0
- Max TDP of 77W vs 95 for the Xeon
- better memory bandwith 25.6GB/s vs 21GB/s
- can use RAM all the way upto

Meanwhile Haswell is due this year

Cheers
Terry

Would love to see a comparitive analysis between these two procs & also with the Giga board in question....any links ?

 

[terence_fdes]

Just a concluding thought on the intended Xeon - Why is the dealer offering it to you at 25% discount (International prices are almost the same as a 3770k) ????

It's quite obvious that there are no buyer's for this unit today (or hard to come by in India).... how the said dealer landed with it remains a mystery -these E3;5;7 processors are generally stocked by retailers who supply PC components in bulk to offices/companies.

Check & see the date of manufacture (it could be 3-4 months back or more) .... I may be wrong here.

Last Querry is it the E3-1265l or E3-1265lv2 version (the latter is more recent I think).

 

[terence_fdes]

Thanks @terence_fdes

Moreover, I am planning to upgrade haswell if the price is right (in 2 months). So I am planning to get the Xeon at a great price so resale won't be an issue

My only dilemma is that 1600MBPS RAMS may not work totally with the Sandy bridge Xeon

YOU ARE PLANNING TO UPGRADE TO HASWELL IN 2 MONTHS
- We will not be seeing Haswell in India (at affordable prices) till Oct'13
- Selling off this particular Xeon will be next to impossible unless you sell it for 5k (along with the mobo)..... when Haswell is released even the 3770k (used one) will be worth just 11-12k !!!

1600RAM will perform as 1333MHz[DOUBLEPOST=1365429925][/DOUBLEPOST]This is an interesting review of the E3 family

The processor per-se is very good (especially if it's the v2 version).... just that finding a buyer is gonna be tuff when the time comes.

All the best anyways
terry

 

[vercetti]

I have my sources

- We will not be seeing Haswell in India (at affordable prices) till Oct'13

This processor retails for a price higher than i7 and performs on par with i7....why then do u say that this will not have any resale value?
the E3 lineups have LGA 1155 Scoket as well.

- Selling off this particular Xeon will be next to impossible unless you sell it for 5k (along with the mobo)..... when Haswell is released even the 3770k (used one) will be worth just 11-12k !!!


The processor per-se is very good (especially if it's the v2 version).... just that finding a buyer is gonna be tuff when the time comes.

All the best anyways
terry

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Below is a direct comparison with 2600k in tomshardware
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xeon-e3-c206-workstation,2933-9.html

 

[Crazy_Eddy]

This processor retails for a price higher than i7 and performs on par with i7

It performs on par with a Sandy bridge i7. The Ivy bridge i7 will be faster.
However since you say you are getting the Xeon for 15k vs the 20k that the i7 3770k costs, the performance trade-off will be worth it. I don't think resale value will be hit badly; you might get a good deal if you find someone who can make proper use of the Xeon.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the only reason you are getting the Xeon is for the better integrated GPU? Why not get a dedicated GPU?

 

[terence_fdes]

I don't think resale value will be hit badly; you might get a good deal if you find someone who can make proper use of the Xeon.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the only reason you are getting the Xeon is for the better integrated GPU? Why not get a dedicated GPU?

Dunno as OP seems to be mesmerised by the Xeon tag.

And he still has'nt clarified which version of the Xeon is being offered at 25% discount (the first version launched more than 2 years ago or the v2 version)..... Elsewhere in the world the v2 retails at the same price as the 3770k +/- 2-6$
I smell something fishy - Somethings rotten in the State of ??

Both you guys are veterans on TE ... tell me, "How many Zeon's/Workstation/Server based processor" RE-SALES have you seen/witnessed in all these years ??

At the risk of sounding too over-cautious and not wanting to continue any further (with my pessimist views), I rest my case.

I still repeat that the E3 v2 revision series are very good processors & Intel succeeded in fullfilling the desires of all those who could not go for the E5 or E7 series (with the vastly more expensive dual cpu socket 2011 or 1366 or motherboards)...... but the resale value of the E3 is zilch.

 

[TheIndian]

Dunno as OP seems to be mesmerised by the Xeon tag.

And he still has'nt clarified which version of the Xeon is being offered at 25% discount (the first version launched more than 2 years ago or the v2 version)..... Elsewhere in the world the v2 retails at the same price as the 3770k +/- 2-6$
I smell something fishy - Somethings rotten in the State of ??

Both you guys are veterans on TE ... tell me, "How many Zeon's/Workstation/Server based processor" RE-SALES have you seen/witnessed in all these years ??

At the risk of sounding too over-cautious and not wanting to continue any further (with my pessimist views), I rest my case.

I still repeat that the E3 v2 revision series are very good processors & Intel succeeded in fullfilling the desires of all those who could not go for the E5 or E7 series (with the vastly more expensive dual cpu socket 2011 or 1366 or motherboards)...... but the resale value of the E3 is zilch.

Would a xeon be at a disadvantage compared to the equivalent PC based processor? If no, couldn't it just be sold for normal use? Since he is getting it at a discount, maybe he will get back the price he paid for it.[DOUBLEPOST=1365443509][/DOUBLEPOST]

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This processor retails for a price higher than i7 and performs on par with i7....why then do u say that this will not have any resale value?
the E3 lineups have LGA 1155 Scoket as well.

I am not sure what is happening here, a little while back you claimed both retailed at the same price, and I had to point out this was not true.

 

[terence_fdes]

Would a xeon be at a disadvantage compared to the equivalent PC based processor? If no, couldn't it just be sold for normal use? Since he is getting it at a discount, maybe he will get back the price he paid for it.

The disadvantage is that OP wishes to sell off this Xeon after 2 months or so (when Haswell releases). If the said Xeon is the v1 version.... then I maintain that OP will hardly get 5.5 to 7k for the combo (mobo + proc). If it's v2 version then probably 9k. Remember also that the motherboard offered is the lowest end.

Meanwhile read on - Intel's next releases of the Xeon E3-1200 v3 requiring an entirely new architecture

Intel Haswell Xeon E3-1200 V3 Server Processors Not Compatible With Z87 LGA 1150 Socket

This has become the norm now.

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[Crazy_Eddy]

If the said Xeon is the v1 version.... then I maintain that OP will hardly get 5.5 to 7k for the combo (mobo + proc). If it's v2 version then probably 9k.

7k for a 4C/8T proc + mobo combo will be daylight robbery. You just about get a new dual-core + capable mobo for that kinda cash. He should be able to sell it at whatever prices the i7 sandy bridges are going for at the time.

Edit: On second thought he could save another 15~20% by just getting an i5 3330 or an i5 3550.

 

[vercetti]

Yup... Even I think a Xeon 4 cores would get me more than that easily and will be more comparable to the i7 Sandy bridge prices. I think the motherboard itself will get me 3k easily
The reason I did not go for i5 was cauz Xeon is well within my budget and I get to try out the processor.

I am looking to get a 6850 for the processor for my Gaing needs.

Eddy...I was planning to get the i7; but settled for Xeon due to the low cost offered for the same processing power.

7k for a 4C/8T proc + mobo combo will be daylight robbery. You just about get a new dual-core + capable mobo for that kinda cash. He should be able to sell it at whatever prices the i7 sandy bridges are going for at the time.

Edit: On second thought he could save another 15~20% by just getting an i5 3330 or an i5 3550.

 

[terence_fdes]

7k for a 4C/8T proc + mobo combo will be daylight robbery.........

Edit: On second thought he could save another 15~20% by just getting an i5 3330 or an i5 3550.

I am exhausted, drained out (& exasperated) in trying to prove my point. Dammit forget about the technicalities of this Xeon (I am still waiting for OP .... after asking him so many times, "Which version of the Xeon is being sold at 25% discount".... why is he silent on this point ? I have stated my doubts of why this is being offered at 25% lesser than the 3770k.

THIS IS A XEON period!

Imagine what would it be like trying to sell a used & lowest version of a Ferrari engine (mounted on a Mahindra chassis/mobo) You can jolly well scream your lungs out about the tech-specs of this pariah (by the time the next round of Intel procs/mobos come out) .............

How many blokes have approached TE for suggestion's to build a Xeon-Rig ?
- To the best of my knowledge - any individual who has approached TE for highly complex system-builds (whether used for CAD/CAM; HD Video Editing; 3D Animation; Number Crunching; Maya; Autocad ....etc) have always settled for the highest consumer processors - i7-series. Xeons have never been recommended for obvious reasons.

My earlier doubts also remain unanswered - How many re-sales/trades have taken place for Xeons on TE ?

I can go on ad-nauseum...... but I am drained out.

And yet my bro - you are not 100% convinced of OP's decision that you are recommending him an i5 3330 or 3550 (thereby saving even more) for his interim venture .......... he wants to use it for just 2 month's until Haswell!!!

There are too many irrational thought processes on this thread...... and now the 6850 is being added

Ciao
Terry

P.S: At no point of time have I wished to dis-respect OP's decision or the other's who have contributed to this thread. However, I am no longer in any position to contribute any further (my mind is blank now). Wishing you all the best and let's carry on & meet again on another road. I enjoyed the debate (although still many of my primary querries remain unanswered) -that OP's prerogative to answer or not.

 

[vercetti]

I have given the specs on top and have said I am getting a sandy vridge version. Eddy's response also states that my processor will go for a price comparable to a i7 Sandy bridge (as he understood from my posts that its the original or V1 version)
There are 2 versions
1. Xeon E3 1275
2. Xeon E3 1275 V2
I am getting 1. I hope this is crystal clear now.

I think you need to rest @terence_fdes and freshen up ur mind.

Anyways, I have checked the prices online and benchmarks; I am quite satisfied with the results and I think this gives exactly the same performance as i7 and is a good buy even if I get this at i7's price (25% is a bonus considering Xeon's give me more facilities than the i7 processor).

Thanks all.

I am exhausted, drained out (& exasperated) in trying to prove my point. Dammit forget about the technicalities of this Xeon (I am still waiting for OP .... after asking him so many times, "Which version of the Xeon is being sold at 25% discount".... why is he silent on this point ? I have stated my doubts of why this is being offered at 25% lesser than the 3770k.

 

[TheIndian]

I have given the specs on top and have said I am getting a sandy vridge version. Eddy's response also states that my processor will go for a price comparable to a i7 Sandy bridge (as he understood from my posts that its the original or V1 version)
There are 2 versions
1. Xeon E3 1275
2. Xeon E3 1275 V2
I am getting 1. I hope this is crystal clear now.

I think you need to rest @terence_fdes and freshen up ur mind.

Anyways, I have checked the prices online and benchmarks; I am quite satisfied with the results and I think this gives exactly the same performance as i7 and is a good buy even if I get this at i7's price (25% is a bonus considering Xeon's give me more facilities than the i7 processor).

Thanks all.

I am with @terence_fdes on this, your posts are full of contradictions and waywardness. From getting a deal, to being 25% cheaper than the i7, it has now become same price. And somewhere in the middle you claimed that Xeons are sold at the same price as the PC equivalents, then went on to claim a higher re sale price since its priced higher originally.

Enjoy your Xeon or whatever it is you buying.

 

[pratikb]

I am also with terence here.
It does not make any sense to run xeon when i7 is proven better and as terrence said,you are getting v1 and not v2.

 

[terence_fdes]

I have given the specs on top and have said I am getting a sandy vridge version. Eddy's response also states that my processor will go for a price comparable to a i7 Sandy bridge (as he understood from my posts that its the original or V1 version)
There are 2 versions
1. Xeon E3 1275
2. Xeon E3 1275 V2
I am getting 1. I hope this is crystal clear now.

I think you need to rest @terence_fdes and freshen up ur mind.

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At last it explains everything the v1@25% discount (smart dealer) vis-a-vis 3770k .... and not the v2.... and the v3 release is just round the corner !!!!

Roma locuta causa absoluta/finita.... THE CASE IS CLOSED

I will heed your advice and REST..... LOL Chill out.

I am relaxed at last (before being rushed to the ICCU)

 

[vercetti]

Urgghh....I ignored ur last post...but since u repeated the same statement twice... Here I go
Firstly, u need to follow the thread...which u never do..

Check above ...Terrence gave reference saying E3-1275 are available for 370$ which are quite higher compared to i7 price and NewEgg also reflects....Thats the reason I said Xeon's are expensive;

Secondly, u need to follow the thread (Wait...I said that already) ...But Anyways...I don'ty see anywhere I have mentioned I am getting both at the same price...
Below is quote and unquote of what I wrote (to jog ur memory)

as i7 and is a good buy even if I get this at i7's price (25% is a bonus considering Xeon's give me more facilities than the i7 processor)

I am with @terence_fdes on this, your posts are full of contradictions and waywardness. From getting a deal, to being 25% cheaper than the i7, it has now become same price. And somewhere in the middle you claimed that Xeons are sold at the same price as the PC equivalents, then went on to claim a higher re sale price since its priced higher originally.

Enjoy your Xeon or whatever it is you buying.

@terence_feds
I agree that dealer would give a discount considering a 1 yr older model (its almost 35% effective considering Xeon's are 10-20% expensive than i7).
Going with your logic, do u think dealers will also give 25 to 35% discount on Sandy bridge i7? I seriously doubt so.
Also, do check the specs for Sandy and ivy bridge....In case of Xeon's - Sandy bridge actually betters than the ivy bridge in 2-3 aspects.
and if u see online Sandy bridge Xeon's are slightly expensive than the ivy Bridge Xeons; going by your logic v1 should be hugely cheaper - right?
Below are some links to reinforce what I said:
V2 Slightly cheaper:: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117282
V1 Slightly expensive :: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115085

@Crazy_Eddy ....whats your opinion?

 

[terence_fdes]

Sorry @vercetti ... I yam a stubborn 'ol wizened nut & I ain't giving up yet.

I could write my Ph.D Thesis on - "How we Indian's love DISCOUNT'S & one-day 'grab-it-a-lifetime' offers" - This is what clouds our brains and all rational thought processes. We are then ready to abandon all and sundry - buddies, colleagues, family & loved ones - BECAUSE our soul is SOLD to this DISCOUNT.

We forget easily that the fundamental premise of a Discount is applied ONLY to "outdated/phased-out/unsold stocks/inventories" ..... the tech-specs still appeal (although it's only on paper). Would these EVER have a re-sale value ........... (unless another gullible bloke is found, who has'nt done his homework).

It's not too late - try asking your dealer for the same discount on the v2 - and see his reactions!