What exactly is Government of India doing?

red dragon

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Untill you are examined by an ENT specialist, please don't use any ear drops. The condition of your tympanic membrane needs to be seen first.
BTW after writing at least 10 emails to various Indian media over last 2/3 months, Times of India finally published an article on valved masks and how they can spread the infection.
I don't need any appreciation from Indian media or it's medical fraternity, but this little piece of information was crucial and they kept on ignoring my emails for months.
I literally requested them to make it anonymous or use the name of any Indian physician in need of public recognition.
 

Julian

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Even if the govt. now suggests not to use valved masks, there's no practical way they can stop people from using them. I see maybe 10% of people using valved ones.

Very few are using surgical or N95-type masks these days. A friend told me breathing through those is much easier than the surgical ones. Duhhhh, if the air is coming through easier then what about the virus. Also, maybe they think they can save money by rewashing the cloth ones indefinitely. Thing is, good branded reusable masks mention a washing limit like 30 light hand washes on the packaging. The cheap ones have no such warning/advice.
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This is one of the good brands.
 

rdst_1

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Even if the govt. now suggests not to use valved masks, there's no practical way they can stop people from using them. I see maybe 10% of people using valved ones.

Very few are using surgical or N95-type masks these days. A friend told me breathing through those is much easier than the surgical ones. Duhhhh, if the air is coming through easier then what about the virus. Also, maybe they think they can save money by rewashing the cloth ones indefinitely. Thing is, good branded reusable masks mention a washing limit like 30 light hand washes on the packaging. The cheap ones have no such warning/advice.
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This is one of the good brands.
Actually that's not the issue with valved masks as these are usually one way valves. They help in exhaling and not inhaling. So a valved N95 mask will work pretty well in saving you from the virus. However, the main use of masks is advised so that infected people, especially asymptomatic carriers don't spread the virus and that's where valve masks will fail.
 

sauravghosh

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So more than 14 days back? It's probably something else if it's more than a month ago. Like too much soap used on clothes during washing, reaction to some deo or even food.

I've got rashes when i used deo of a branded company.
Yes. The rashes on the scalp and around the ears started back in mid April. And the chest rashes appeared a month thereafter. The scalp rashes i didn't worry as much because she's got an extremely bad dandruff problem which happened 2 to 3 times few years back too and the same dandruff problem is now back, so i thought the rashes were due to dandruff, but the chest rashes look very annoying.
 

Julian

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Actually that's not the issue with valved masks as these are usually one way valves. They help in exhaling and not inhaling. So a valved N95 mask will work pretty well in saving you from the virus. However, the main use of masks is advised so that infected people, especially asymptomatic carriers don't spread the virus and that's where valve masks will fail.

Yes, that's what i meant. Asymptomatics using valved masks could be the reason for community tx even if 100% are wearing 'masks'.

in the second part I was talking about people using cloth type non-valved masks vs surgical/n95s because they're easier to breathe through and cheaper overall.
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I'm also wondering about particle size after reading the wildcraft mask claiming 0.3 micron filtration when an individual n-cov virion is about 0.1 micron. Read the following but i'm not sure about anything.


 
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psyph3r

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I'm also wondering about particle size after reading the wildcraft mask claiming 0.3 micron filtration when an individual n-cov virion is about 0.1 micron. Read the following but i'm not sure about anything.

This is why wearing masks is useless, especially most if not all of the ones sold locally, they only offer a false sense of security.
Half of the ones people wear are made out of the cloth bag material.
 

Julian

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Even the medical stores are selling crap single layer 'surgical' ones. I doubt they will even stop bacteria forget viruses.

As mentioned by red dragon earlier, true surgical masks are tied, not with elastic bands. You can quickly tell which of the cute(?) mask wearing chicks are nurses depending on if they're tied or elastic!

For most people wearing masks is to avoid being fined by the police...
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Here's how to get immunity to covid-19.

First go get some SARS!
 

red dragon

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Actually that's not the issue with valved masks as these are usually one way valves. They help in exhaling and not inhaling. So a valved N95 mask will work pretty well in saving you from the virus. However, the main use of masks is advised so that infected people, especially asymptomatic carriers don't spread the virus and that's where valve masks will fail.
Yes, the valves are one way for one and only one purpose only. It prevents the moisture from accumulating inside. Of course it provides EQUAL protection to the non valved one for the person wearing them. But it's meant to be worn in a ward / CCU where 100 percent of the patients are infected.
Both types of N95 and higher masks give 99 percent protection from the virus( with perfect seal and about 95 percent with usual gaps between skin and mask margins, hence the name ) so there's 1 percent chance of the virus to enter even with 100 percent effective seal.
Now, if someone in wearing a valved mask and unfortunately inhales the virus, he/ she will exhale the virus unfiltered ( in theory with a higher concentration of viral load, compared to the inhaled air)
This simple fact took 2 months for the bullheads to understand.
This is one of the commonest cause of nosocomial transmission of covid 19.
Regarding the size each virion can vary from 50-200 nano-metre in diameter but a mask does not act like a simple sieve and virus can not fly around alone,they are basically RNA threads, completely dependent on other particles to move.
 
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Julian

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are you using this one? Does it give good comfort?

No, but a friend has and he says it's pretty decent.
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BTW after writing at least 10 emails to various Indian media over last 2/3 months, Times of India finally published an article on valved masks and how they can spread the infection.
I don't need any appreciation from Indian media or it's medical fraternity, but this little piece of information was crucial and they kept on ignoring my emails for months.
I literally requested them to make it anonymous or use the name of any Indian physician in need of public recognition.

 
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Julian

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And now, of all places, Kerala is the only one actually (mildly) admitting to community tx.


Rest of the country, including bombay, delhi etc. remain stuck in head-in-the-sand denial.
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Some nice new innovations being developed

 
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blr_p

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Dear, I have no idea about your experience and competency in critical care. We treat patients with our knowledge, skill sets and personal experience, not some court order. Yes, sure it is a very controllable disease yet we do not yet know the exact mode of transmission, range of incubation period, even all the symptoms.
NO SIR, IT IS WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THINK OR KNOW. I can intubate a patient faster than you can say WTF! I can put in all lines required for ECMO and can operate it like an iphone. Yet, lost many, many patients to this virus.
If you think, you can do it, PM me, I will give you the contact details of the person, who will rope you in and pay 10 times what we are paid.
Didn't read the judgement did you ?

Skills are useless if the people that need them don't get them
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You seem to know this inside and out, must be keeping tabs on the developing situation with hydroxychloroquine? Apparently it actually does work to some degree according to recent studies. What do you make of it?
Yeah the ford foundation found that out recently. But in india we've been treating people since May with it. It's effective with early treatment. Within 7 days of onset of symptoms. Later than that things get iffy

Earlier studies that did not distinguish this point found HCQ to be ineffective. This the MSM made a big deal out of.
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Friends, This propaganda post deliberately did not mention RML hospital of Delhi, which is under central government.

Situation is almost same in entire Delhi.




And everybody knows when it comes to talk about death rate, which state will make us worry most. Gujarat.
yeah yeah, you only post opposition nonsense. Still crying about migrants ? lol after these buggers started to come back because they had no jobs.

What's happening in Delhi is exactly what the court case pointed out.

Why did the central govt have to take over testing ? because the AAP party is not people's movement. They screwed up big time and deserve to be called out for it.

Health is a state subject in case you didn't know.
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This sounds really scary. Hope this does not turn out to be the case.
Does not mention how advanced the disease was with these patients ? mild infections will make a full recovery.


The leftie liberal likes to scare monger. I've been calling this out since April


What does he say ? NON ICU WILL MAKE A FULL RECOVERY
 
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technofast

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Do we have a vaccine available by end of the year as per this article in TOI? WHO mentioned that they will not have a vaccine until atleast next year but here it is mentioned that the vaccine will be available for around Rs.1000 by end of the year.

 

saidu

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On your notes on GST and CA, I was trying to file my ITR2 and realized that I would need a CA for ITR2 this year !!! I have filed ITR2 till last year and an average educated Indian cannot file an ITR2 anymore this year owing to its complications. Next year, I expect this to be havoc thanks to new regime and old regime !
 

Julian

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Do we have a vaccine available by end of the year as per this article in TOI? WHO mentioned that they will not have a vaccine until atleast next year but here it is mentioned that the vaccine will be available for around Rs.1000 by end of the year.


The reality is that there will probably never be a covid-19 vaccine and even if one does come out it's efficacy would/should be suspect. Coronaviruses are very difficult to vaccinate against, SARS has been around since 2003 and MERS 2012. Lots of R&D yet no vaccine yet. It will take a completely revolutionary leap from current medical technology to develop an effective one, and that in itself will change the world in terms of how disease is treated and handled. Who knows, maybe that revolution is around the corner, but with current methods of vaccine development, it looks unlikely.

Why do i say the efficacy should be suspect? Govts. around the world are under a lot of pressure to release a vaccine, sometimes the placebo effect is enough to give hope to billions of people to survive. Just knowing there is a 'vaccine' is enough for many people to keep living and the world to keep turning. The US has about 4 strains of the flu, and each year they vaccinate for the predominant one. But even then they claim it has just around 50% efficacy and effectiveness (probably even less in reality). Coronaviruses and rhinoviruses are incredibly hard to vaccinate against, and we should be taking any vaccine breaking news with a good pinch of salt.
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On your notes on GST and CA, I was trying to file my ITR2 and realized that I would need a CA for ITR2 this year !!! I have filed ITR2 till last year and an average educated Indian cannot file an ITR2 anymore this year owing to its complications. Next year, I expect this to be havoc thanks to new regime and old regime !

Look at the bright side, they've created jobs for so many CAs !
 

red dragon

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Fortunately some doctors are not trying to cover up their ignorance/ apathy to learn on political leanings. Nowhere it is claimed (by doctors with appropriate qualification to talk about a viral epidemic) that non ICU patient can develop pneumonia later due to prior infections.
People are worried about long-term consequences of patients who have/had developed significant ARDS.
And NO vaccine at least for next couple of years. Sure there will be vaccines before that, but those will be declared ineffective ( people will rejoice and praise modern science for the amazing discovery etc.etc.) after few months.
If you want to understand what`s going on in the name of vaccine, you should first know the basics of immunology and vaccination (not difficult at all, rather interesting) I will urge you guys to go through the basics. Then you will realize, what exactly is going on ( some major vaccine manufacturers are taking it slow and keeping it a secret, some other are just creating hype after deciding adeno virus as vaccine vectors, it is basically nothing, adeno vector was tried for HIV vaccine, for malaria vaccine and probably hundreds in between, it is not even the first baby step towards a vaccine)
 
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Julian

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Fortunately some doctors are not trying to cover up their ignorance/ apathy to learn on political leanings. Nowhere it is claimed (by doctors with appropriate qualification to talk about a viral epidemic) that non ICU patient can develop pneumonia later due to prior infections.
People are worried about long-term consequences of patients who have/had developed significant ARDS.

Don't even bother responding or replying to the troll. He seems to have crawled back out from under the woodwork, with the usual nonsensical posts as usual.

We're nowhere even near the stage of understanding long-term damage from covid-19. How someone can make concrete claims about icu etc. is hilarious.
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Here's something to read if you're really bored and depressed and will make you laugh like a maniac!

Edit: i'm not claiming either side of the 5g story is right. it's too soon to tell. High-frequency, ultra-short wavelength RF signals could be harmful even if non-ionizing. There needs to be more research into this, without lobbies or vested interests interfering.

Edit2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6765906/
 
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6pack

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Eat papad everyone!


Karnataka trying Chinese method of sealing flat.

 
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