ISHROCZ_14
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when is NOKIA N8 going to release in INDIA ??
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dhruvrock2000
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vpraveenis
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Yes good specs for a nice price (if it really sells for 22-24k) as a lot of people say.
But the UI still looks not very different from S60v5 and with symbian 4 around the corner, if they dont upgrade this to Sym4 then it's not very good.
But nice specs though. I am hoping this will bring down the prices of other (android) handsets down :cool2::cool2:
But the UI still looks not very different from S60v5 and with symbian 4 around the corner, if they dont upgrade this to Sym4 then it's not very good.
But nice specs though. I am hoping this will bring down the prices of other (android) handsets down :cool2::cool2:
Yup. August end / early september. Nice specs , buddy these are great specs. Only issue is that old generation ARM 11 processor but then nokia choose this for battery & cost factor. From whatever I have seen / read about this device its going to be fuxxing awesome. A friend of mine who has had his "hands on" N8 for whole 2 days said its build quality is super awesome and the phone was very very fast. Its for those people who value real deal than that eye candy UI. Also battery life is very good even with that 1200 mAh battery. I am waiting for N8 and dont find its subtitute in market right now, no android device in market has all those useful features in one package.
desiibond
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vpraveenis said:
totally agree. The widgets that are shown on home screens are similar to what N97 has. And once you get inside, it's all Symbian S60. it's a good camera phone that's it. It just can't compete with devices like Galaxy S, Droid X in other functionality. They are in a different league altogether.
here are some eye-opening articles on N8:
Nokia N8 Second Look by Eldar Murtazin
Eldar Murtazin's tear up of Symbian 3 : Mobile-review.com Symbian^3 (this is a really spot on review)
Also do note that I had a glance of this device in the hands of a tester and it has symbian s60 written all over it.
Note : Nokia is going to dump Symbian^3 for high end devices and move on to MeeGo. S^3 will be pushed to mid range devices while S60 may be moved to lower end devices
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Ever heard about these devices:yogi7272 said:
Samsung Galaxy S
Motorola Droid X
HTC Evo
HTC Incredible
These are all rounders and their processing power is that does more than taking good pictures.
And what you said is right. With ARM 11 processor and with just 256MB of RAM, it can lag mightily when multiple apps are open.
desiibond said:
Do note that although Eldar was not a anti-symbain guy earlier, it seems that Eldar has a bone to pick with Nokia now. He has not been on the best of terms with them and he down played Symbian ^3 in that review too much. He says that nothing new has been added compared to iOS or Android, but the fact is that in terms of core features there is little to be added to Symbian unlike Android and iOS which have had important bits missing till recently. What symbian needs most at this point is an UI Refresh and most of the major UI stuff is slated for Symbain ^4. As for Symbian ^3, it seems there's a considerable improvement in performance which even Eldar agrees with and they even managed to add in new stuff like USB OTG that's pretty convenient.
Can you name one device among those that are not are not locked to operator, has USB OTG support, A great camera with flash, 720p video recording, Support for DivX and Xvid video playback, HDMI video output with Dolby Digital Plus support, Bluetooth 3.0 all in one package and cost's anywhere near 370 Euro? I don't think so. I won't be buying this phone since it does not have a user replaceable battery just like iPhone and I hate that kind of thing, but you cannot deny that its one compelling package if it sells for 370 Euro.desiibond said:
orangewrath
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N8 is a replacement for the Nokia 5800 (HARSH!!!) or people who haven’t had experiences with other OS’s (another shot to the Nokia fans)!!
Thank god for me not waiting to buy it.. phew!
Thank god for me not waiting to buy it.. phew!
dhruvrock2000
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@orangewrath What makes you say that it is a replacement for the Nokia 5800 ? I for one have actually used this device and can vouch for it. It is nothing like the 5800. Yes , the OS needs a UI refresh but for some people , functionality is more important than stupid UI transitions. The feature set on this is unmatched and you really cant contest it.
As for the ARM 11 processor, you need to keep in mind that Symbian is a VERY lightweight OS. It doesnt need anything close to the processing power needed for other operating systems. Where the N97 failed was in RAM and that has been compensated here by doubling it.
As for the ARM 11 processor, you need to keep in mind that Symbian is a VERY lightweight OS. It doesnt need anything close to the processing power needed for other operating systems. Where the N97 failed was in RAM and that has been compensated here by doubling it.
orangewrath
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Its not me saying it, read the review Nokia N8 Second Look by Eldar Murtazindhruvrock2000 said:
And I've heard you saying that you have used the N8, can you please tell me how did you get your hands on it?
AFAIK only the mobile reviewers in Europe have used it and that too the Pre-production.
desiibond
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let's talk about the most important aspects of a phone (keep the camera thing aside as it's nothing but extra value and not a core functionality)Lord Nemesis said:
Samsung Galaxy S:
thinner and lighter
bigger and higher resolution display
super AMOLED that has lot better visiblity in direct sunlight
double the amount of RAM and four times bigger ROM (gives more freedom to modders)
newer generation CPU (hummingbird)
bigger and bettery battery life
It has an OS that is designed for current gen smarphone user needs and is getting Froyo which makes it even more snappier with bit more functionality unlike N8 which will be stuck at S^3 for eternity.
Motorola Droid X: you better see for yourself Droid Does | The Next Generation of Does by Verizon Wireless
Who cares if the phone has Dolby Digital Plus or HDMI video out. how many people in the world will connect a phone to watch videos to TV when you have better sources. These are all me too kind of features.
If this is the UI of S^3, then well, ......
Also, not to forget that Developers are rooting for iphone OS and Android which is going to play a major role in platform wars. The top three platforms (developer interests) right now are
1) iOS
2) Android
3) Windows Phone 7
dhruvrock2000
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orangewrath said:
I have my sources....
What he implies by this is that the UI is nothing to write home about... OK you tell me personally... which feature that YOU require is absent in the core OS.
The thing supports playback of virtually any video/audio format , takes memory cards, has 16gb memory , can connect to frickin portable hard disks and output 720p video from that to a projector/TV AND output 5.1 Dolby Audio over HDMI. It gives you FREE turn by turn navigation.... what else do you want ?
As for third party apps , yep ... i agree that is limited currently , but you dont realise that the OS is now going to support Qt applications which will ensure cross compatibility with Maemo 5, MeeGo , S^4 and S^3. I think you will have more than enough applications.
desiibond
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Dude. all those platforms combined have minute amount of apps. Let me make it simple for you.dhruvrock2000 said:
I am using HTC Legend. I don't like the default texting app. it's too simple. So, I install app called Handcent and I use this app instead to send/recieve SMS. Same way, I didn't like the default qwerty, so I replace it with Swype which is more fun to use. There is a choice for every single functionality. That, my friend, is what I call a Smarphone OS. It's the freedom to do anything with the OS is what is driving developers towards Android. Nokia can give such freedom to developers with MeeGo or S^4 but that's something to be talked about sometime next year.
N900 too had a powerful hardware but it blew in the market. Reason is that the OS didn't get proper backing by developers and Nokia itself kind of scrapped it. And it's Deja Vu again with S^3 and N8.
So, until MeeGo or S^4 comes in and becomes defacto OS for Nokia smarphones and is given the push by Nokia as "The OS" that they will use for few years, I won't recommend a Nokia Smartphone.
PS: N8 with Maemo would've been much better solution. N8 has good hardware but shitty OS. Maemo was really really beautiful but alas! It's Nokia's call to make and they made a totally wrong call.
orangewrath
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dhruvrock2000 said:
LOL! I wonder what those are? Did OlliPekka Kallasavuo personally give it to you?
Post some pictures or a video of you using it.
desiibond
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orangewrath said:LOL! I wonder what those are? Did OlliPekka Kallasavuo personally give it to you?
Post some pictures or a video of you using it.
lol. good one
There is a way to test this device in India. I think some of the Nokia employees that do testing on devices are given this phone to use . If you know such people, you can get a really detailed hands-on of the device but never reveal who they are.
orangewrath
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Yeah I have heard of those, but the pre-production ones are very closely guarded. One will have to be very high up in the Nokia's Testing ladder to even have the possibility of seeing one.desiibond said:lol. good one
There is a way to test this device in India. I think some of the Nokia employees that do testing on devices are given this phone to use . If you know such people, you can get a really detailed hands-on of the device but never reveal who they are.
Testing an Un-launched Pre-Production Nokia Soon-to-be- Flagship Device in India by anyone is definitely a No-No!
@dhruvrock2000 Anyway I'm not the one to say that you have NOT tested it, if you have that's amazing
Will be more if you post a video of your hands-on.
desiibond said:
Ok lets talk about core functionality of the phone.
The most important thing is making Phone calls. Nokia phones have been undisputed leaders as far as Signal Reception and quality are concerned.
For arguments sake, lets discuss the so called important aspects of the phone you put forward. Do note that Galaxy S is a phone I am already contemplating on purchasing.
desiibond said:
To the point that I am concerned whether it would not snap in two when I keep it in my pocket and sit down. What about an accidental drop? What's the chance of survival?
desiibond said:
bigger display does not equate to better. Bigger display's make the phone bulkier and have a toll on the build quality resistance to damage.
640 x 360 is not too bad a resolution do note that Nokia started using that resolution when Android phones and iPhone's had only 480 x 320 resolution screens. Win Mo phones had higher resolutions, but they displayed 65k colors. N8 may be using the same 640 x 360 resolution, but I would not be surprised if future Symbian phones used even better displays.
desiibond said:
How many phones currently use this Super AMOLED display. I guess only two. that is because Samsung has just started using this display. N8 already uses AMOLED which is what most of the competition uses for better colors.
desiibond said:
Symbian is light weight compared to Android, Win Mo or iOS. It does not need a lot of RAM and it still multi-tasks. Rememeber that Symbain devices ran pretty alright even on 128Mb ram. In any case do note that even with 512MB RAM in those Android devices, only 256Mb is usable till they get the Froyo treatment. That extra RAM means jack till then.
desiibond said:
Again Symbain does not have uber high hardware requirements.
desiibond said:
Go ahead, name a smart phone that does better than a Symbian phone with the same kind of battery and same kind of work.
desiibond said:
As I said in my thread about Fragmentation, it doesn't really matter. If I have a stable and feature complete OS and I get minor updates to fix any issues, I am fine with that. Like with iPhone 3G not getting all features and slowing down with iOS4, its kind of moot. Galaxy S should have got the Froyo treatment out the box, in any case, I don't think Galaxy S would go any further than Froyo and even that is being considered doubtful by a lot of people.
desiibond said:
Yes I have seen detailed video reviews of it already. Its not practical as a phone simply for the fact that its so huge. 4" is the max I am ready to accept as a valid mobile phone. Anything bigger goes into the MID category.
desiibond said:
These are features that are has in addition to the the basic features. USB OTG sounds pretty neat and I find TV Out pretty useful as well. Its not just to watch videos, you can also deliver a presentation without need for a laptop. I have used by Nokia 5800 to with a projector at office once to deliver a slide show presentation.
desiibond said:
I understand very well that there are not going to be a tonne of those fart apps or ebooks and magazines packaged as apps for symbian, but there are still developers who make useful software for it. Symbain is a workhorse that just needs a UI polishing badly. If it does not work out for symbian, its not because of technical deficiencies, but because Nokia could not leverage it properly.
vpraveenis
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Agreed. I have never had any problems with nokia on calling front. Nokia completely understands that a Calls are what mobile phones are for..Lord Nemesis said:
Had bad experiences with Sony ericsson. There were bugs in calling functionality and resulted in call disconnection.
Bigger displays also reqires higher rated battery to last the same distance. It also increases the load on CPU/GPU to fill more pixels and that has an effect on battery as well.
I would rather sheild the display with my hand, rather than pay extra for a technology that just 'improves' direct sunlight reading. Cheap and effective
hyeah:hyeah:If there is any considerable performance difference indoor, then i'm ready to shell out for it..
3.5" to 3.7" is the max for me. Hell it's a phone and I want to be able to carry it in my shirt pocket...
USB OTG is still a grey area.. I have worked on developing products with USB connectivity and it's not very clear what file systems will be supported by this feature in N8. FAT32 for sure.. But NTFS??
People dreaming of connecting your portable HDD to the device - Keep your fingers crossed for NTFS support
Symbian badly need a sleek UI. Competition are way ahead and Nokia has taken it's own sweet time to wake up and take notice
Nokia also needs to get back onto mobile gaming.. They are the ones who had Ngage going, but now nokia phones are way way behind in gaming..
N8 is a very nice specced phone, but a s60v5 user will not notice much of a difference (except speed) and will not look like a new OS.
FM transmitter/ Life-time free GPS navigation / HDMI out/ DIVX support - These are some things I want so much in my phone.
Half of the features I want is provided by Nokia... The other half by Android.. If only Nokia made android phones :no::no::no:
Lord Nemesis said:
True.
And that's where the core is: it is not what the phone or OS can or might do but what it does today, that matters.
That is for consumers and users only, if you're a tech evangelist or an investor in Symbian OS development, it is a different matter.
The iOS is a classic examples, it always *needed* a few features, which Apple will slowly and slowly release.
Today, Android has almost all if not all the features on all platforms combined coupled with a very very strong developer platform.
IMO, the mobile world for tomorrow has 3 parts for 3 different users:
- Android for the geeks and tinkerers who love adding on and utilizing their phones to the max potential
- iPhone for the slightly lesser involved geeks and those who just want a smartphone which does the basics right
- All other phones for the budget-conscious or specific-use users (though with some Androids now dropping below 10k, it looks like it might be the OS to beat).
Windows 7 seems to be the darkhorse amidst all this.
I don't see any of Nokia's platforms gaining widespread acceptance anytime soon since their future strategy is as murky as hell. Whether it is Symbian, Maemo, or MeeGo.
Widespread acceptance = more users = more developers = more money in the platform = more apps/uses = more users again.
desiibond
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oh god. I hate this frangented comments.
First, I do respect Nokia as a company. They used to bring lot of innovation but now they are just playing doing catch-up and me-too-have-this-feature thing. N8 is a phone that can compete with the phones like Samsung Innov8, SE cybershot that are meant for those who want to see heavy megapixels on their phones. It just can't stand against new crop of Android device and iphone 3G and upcoming windows phone 7 devices. They are just too far ahead in the OS part. Whether you deny it or not, it's the fact. I really want to see Android on N8 or on N900. That would be a breathtaking combination but Nokia is just hanging on to their old Symbian out of ego. Look at how well HTC and Apple are doing. While Apple is riding on the ecosystem, HTC is riding on clean and effective UI on top of Android. That is what Nokia is lacking. A new generation OS and a clear path that shows proper detail.
Fragmentation. hmm. Atleast there is one OS called Android. Nokia doesn't even know which OS to go after.
meego
maemo
s60
s40
s^3
s^4
talk about fragmentation.
Phones like Nexus One and Droid X come with active noise cancellation that wipes off background noise. Isn't this what we call crystal clear voice and please don't say this thing-of-past 'nokia is best in call quality'.
AMOLED display. Did you ever try to use a phone with AMOLED display outdoor? The sunlight visibility is the only problem that I have with my Legend. it's an issue fixed in Super AMOLED. And it certainly helps when you are roamin outdoors. And having this type of feature is better than having something like Dolby plus which you would rarely be using.
Symbian is lightweight because it is 90s/early 2000s OS. Win95 can run on 32MB of RAM and it doesn't mean that it can go head on with win7 or snow leopard.
coming to battery life, do you remember the following phones:
1) Nokia 6300
2) Nokia N95
3) Nokia 6700 Classic
4) Nokia N96
5) Nokia N82
These were all decent smartphone and they all had poor battery life. When Symbian is so easy on battery, how come these had battery issues? I know that you know the answer. So, please don't put battery life solely on OS. Like I said earlier, GS packs a bigger and better battery and the rated battery life is more than that of N8 even with a larger display (which plays a promient role along with radios in battery life).
coming to these extra features, the only feature that looked innovative is USB OTG and I agree that it is a good addition. But unfortunately, it's not enough.
And please don't even think about comparing Ovi store with Android market. It will look really really foolish. If you talk about quality:
Ovi Store
those are the best twitter apps. If you take free apps, the best of those apps stand no chance against the bottom lot of twitter apps for Android. huh. quality!!!!
Music apps : Ovi Store Is that all that Ovi has for music playback? on the other hand, look at the apps available in Android market!
TV Out : it's sad that your office doesn't have a proper PC to give presentation. I just transfer the preso using wifi (VPN) to my workspace in a server that is in office and deliver the presentation using my laptop or workstation. See, this TV out etc thing is rarely or in most cases never used.
Nobody cares whether the phone has TV Out or whether it can play Dolby or prints money. What they care is the platform.
Is the phone easy to use and how easy is it on the eye.
Does the phone have good number of apps to work with.
How seamless is the application stores integration in phone's OS.
Options Options Options
And that's the reason why Android and iOS are growing. While iOS is hugged by those who want simplest of designs, Android is hugged by those who want to do lot more with the phone than showing presentations in TV or projection (no offense meant).
Lastly, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm OS, WERE workhorses. Everyone else moved on to design platforms that make use of current gen hardware and make use of business models but Nokia, is still hanging on to platform designed a decade earlier and has no concrete plan. Hence, I, Like many think that it's time to move on.
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Also for those who think just having a bigger display makes a phone bigger, think again coz it's the total volume of the phone that is to be taken into account.
Nokia N8 with 3.5" display has volume of 5.2804 cubic inches
Galaxy S with 4" display has volume of 4.74734168 cubic inches.
N900 with 3.5" display : 7.284 cubic inches
HTC Legend with 3.5" display : 4.425 cubic inches
so, though GS comes with bigger display, it actually occupies less space and is easier to use than N8.
First, I do respect Nokia as a company. They used to bring lot of innovation but now they are just playing doing catch-up and me-too-have-this-feature thing. N8 is a phone that can compete with the phones like Samsung Innov8, SE cybershot that are meant for those who want to see heavy megapixels on their phones. It just can't stand against new crop of Android device and iphone 3G and upcoming windows phone 7 devices. They are just too far ahead in the OS part. Whether you deny it or not, it's the fact. I really want to see Android on N8 or on N900. That would be a breathtaking combination but Nokia is just hanging on to their old Symbian out of ego. Look at how well HTC and Apple are doing. While Apple is riding on the ecosystem, HTC is riding on clean and effective UI on top of Android. That is what Nokia is lacking. A new generation OS and a clear path that shows proper detail.
Fragmentation. hmm. Atleast there is one OS called Android. Nokia doesn't even know which OS to go after.
meego
maemo
s60
s40
s^3
s^4
talk about fragmentation.
Phones like Nexus One and Droid X come with active noise cancellation that wipes off background noise. Isn't this what we call crystal clear voice and please don't say this thing-of-past 'nokia is best in call quality'.
AMOLED display. Did you ever try to use a phone with AMOLED display outdoor? The sunlight visibility is the only problem that I have with my Legend. it's an issue fixed in Super AMOLED. And it certainly helps when you are roamin outdoors. And having this type of feature is better than having something like Dolby plus which you would rarely be using.
Symbian is lightweight because it is 90s/early 2000s OS. Win95 can run on 32MB of RAM and it doesn't mean that it can go head on with win7 or snow leopard.
coming to battery life, do you remember the following phones:
1) Nokia 6300
2) Nokia N95
3) Nokia 6700 Classic
4) Nokia N96
5) Nokia N82
These were all decent smartphone and they all had poor battery life. When Symbian is so easy on battery, how come these had battery issues? I know that you know the answer. So, please don't put battery life solely on OS. Like I said earlier, GS packs a bigger and better battery and the rated battery life is more than that of N8 even with a larger display (which plays a promient role along with radios in battery life).
coming to these extra features, the only feature that looked innovative is USB OTG and I agree that it is a good addition. But unfortunately, it's not enough.
And please don't even think about comparing Ovi store with Android market. It will look really really foolish. If you talk about quality:
Ovi Store
those are the best twitter apps. If you take free apps, the best of those apps stand no chance against the bottom lot of twitter apps for Android. huh. quality!!!!
Music apps : Ovi Store Is that all that Ovi has for music playback? on the other hand, look at the apps available in Android market!
TV Out : it's sad that your office doesn't have a proper PC to give presentation. I just transfer the preso using wifi (VPN) to my workspace in a server that is in office and deliver the presentation using my laptop or workstation.
See, this TV out etc thing is rarely or in most cases never used. Nobody cares whether the phone has TV Out or whether it can play Dolby or prints money. What they care is the platform.
Is the phone easy to use and how easy is it on the eye.
Does the phone have good number of apps to work with.
How seamless is the application stores integration in phone's OS.
Options Options Options
And that's the reason why Android and iOS are growing. While iOS is hugged by those who want simplest of designs, Android is hugged by those who want to do lot more with the phone than showing presentations in TV or projection (no offense meant).
Lastly, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Palm OS, WERE workhorses. Everyone else moved on to design platforms that make use of current gen hardware and make use of business models but Nokia, is still hanging on to platform designed a decade earlier and has no concrete plan. Hence, I, Like many think that it's time to move on.
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Also for those who think just having a bigger display makes a phone bigger, think again coz it's the total volume of the phone that is to be taken into account.
Nokia N8 with 3.5" display has volume of 5.2804 cubic inches
Galaxy S with 4" display has volume of 4.74734168 cubic inches.
N900 with 3.5" display : 7.284 cubic inches
HTC Legend with 3.5" display : 4.425 cubic inches
so, though GS comes with bigger display, it actually occupies less space and is easier to use than N8.
dhruvrock2000
Discoverer
You really think i would risk getting pre release hands on with future devices just to prove myself to you ??? LOL , its ok if u dont believe me....orangewrath said:LOL! I wonder what those are? Did OlliPekka Kallasavuo personally give it to you?
Post some pictures or a video of you using it.
Anyways , not my place to tell you what correct and whats not. What suits me might not suit you... Symbian is fine for me currently and i am also fully satisfied with my N900.... What i am waiting for is the MeeGo OS device.
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