Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Ok now Im getting the TF10,period. I'll see what needs to be done later if they dont fit me.
Ok now Im getting the TF10,period. I'll see what needs to be done later if they dont fit me.
Which IEM should I get sub-8k?
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Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
^^ You can always sell them off with little to no loss as they are quite sought after earphones.
And before you get rid of the TF10s try them with the Sony hybrid tips that came with the M3. I couldn't get a seal with the silicon tips but I got a proper fit with the hybrids.
^^ You can always sell them off with little to no loss as they are quite sought after earphones.
And before you get rid of the TF10s try them with the Sony hybrid tips that came with the M3. I couldn't get a seal with the silicon tips but I got a proper fit with the hybrids.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Yeah would try that, otherwise I'll sell themBF1983 said:^^ You can always sell them off with little to no loss as they are quite sought after earphones.
And before you get rid of the TF10s try them with the Sony hybrid tips that came with the M3. I couldn't get a seal with the silicon tips but I got a proper fit with the hybrids.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
well if u have not yet bought TF 10, i will suggest re 262,,, about your problem about Amp, Fiio E11 is coming in march,, which is said to be priced between E5 nd E7. It also contain the same opamp as of Headstage Arrow and will be enough to drive re 262.
well if u have not yet bought TF 10, i will suggest re 262,,, about your problem about Amp, Fiio E11 is coming in march,, which is said to be priced between E5 nd E7. It also contain the same opamp as of Headstage Arrow and will be enough to drive re 262.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Someone was selling a used RE262 for $145 at the time I was considering it, now its sold and I dont have $250 to buy a new one
Someone was selling a used RE262 for $145 at the time I was considering it, now its sold and I dont have $250 to buy a new one
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
I'm happy to say that I've received the TF10, and they seem to fit me okay - But they are so effin huge!
Time to listen to these
I'm happy to say that I've received the TF10, and they seem to fit me okay - But they are so effin huge!
Time to listen to these
vivacious_tg
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Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
You started this thread for RE-ZERO and bought TF10
Great.....congratsMephistopheles said:I'm happy to say that I've received the TF10, and they seem to fit me okay - But they are so effin huge!
Time to listen to these
You started this thread for RE-ZERO and bought TF10
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Since TF10 gives you a good fit, can you spend a bit (of time) to say whether it's a hit or a $hit?
You started with RE-ZERO and finished with TF10. I am thinking about asking your original question - "Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO?"... because that's the only Hifiman I've not heard so farMephistopheles said:I'm happy to say that I've received the TF10, and they seem to fit me okay - But they are so effin huge!
Time to listen to these
Since TF10 gives you a good fit, can you spend a bit (of time) to say whether it's a hit or a $hit?
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Done
Hehe..but I'd still like to listen to the RE-ZERO.
Yeah I will spend time to write my impressions soon, but before that I need to spend some more time with them.
Yeah they fit me okay but nothing more than that. They are quite big in comparison to my ears and look odd in my ears. I reckon the Sony hybrids will give me a better fit.
Dare Devil said:Mephistopheles : Edit ur signature Now.hyeah:
Done
strategy said:Great post your impressions too
esanthosh said:You started with RE-ZERO and finished with TF10. I am thinking about asking your original question - "Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO?"... because that's the only Hifiman I've not heard so far
Since TF10 gives you a good fit, can you spend a bit (of time) to say whether it's a hit or a $hit?
Hehe..but I'd still like to listen to the RE-ZERO.
Yeah I will spend time to write my impressions soon, but before that I need to spend some more time with them.
Yeah they fit me okay but nothing more than that. They are quite big in comparison to my ears and look odd in my ears. I reckon the Sony hybrids will give me a better fit.
vivacious_tg said:Great.....congrats
You started this thread for RE-ZERO and bought TF10
TBH While I was making this thread I had no idea how things could unfold in such a way that I'll have TF10 in my ears. But yeah I had to part with my M3 to buy it.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Post your impressions soon , i am very sure , u will enjoy the TF's .
HEHE , ME the MAN behind his Special PurchaseMephistopheles said:Done
Hehe..but I'd still like to listen to the RE-ZERO.
Yeah I will spend time to write my impressions soon, but before that I need to spend some more time with them.
Yeah they fit me okay but nothing more than that. They are quite big in comparison to my ears and look odd in my ears.
While I was making this thread I had no idea how things could unfold in such a way that I'll have TF10 in my ears.
Post your impressions soon , i am very sure , u will enjoy the TF's .
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Well,
they Are Hanging In The Shop for a Live Demo Come And Check Those RE-ZEROS anytime .....
I Knew That Lol Haa haa haa .
Mephistopheles said:Done
Hehe..but I'd still like to listen to the RE-ZERO.
Yeah I will spend time to write my impressions soon, but before that I need to spend some more time with them.
Yeah they fit me okay but nothing more than that. They are quite big in comparison to my ears and look odd in my ears. I reckon the Sony hybrids will give me a better fit.
TBH While I was making this thread I had no idea how things could unfold in such a way that I'll have TF10 in my ears. But yeah I 'd to part with my M3 to buy it.
Well,
they Are Hanging In The Shop for a Live Demo Come And Check Those RE-ZEROS anytime .....
You Bugger ,anubhav2345 said:HEHE , ME the MAN behind his Special Purchase
Post your impressions soon , i am very sure , u will enjoy the TF's .
I Knew That Lol Haa haa haa .
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
My initial impressions of TF10:
Build and Fit:
This was a major concern for me as many people reported fit issues with it. The first thing I did when I received them was try to fit them in my ear (even though I did not have my fuze at that particular time) but I didn't have much of an issue in doing so, I wouldn't say that they fitted me perfectly (like the M3 did) but still they were atleast not falling off as I had feared them to. I must say that the ear pieces are quite big in size, which is a negative for me as they poke out of my ears and look odd. These also aren't very comfortable to wear, like with the M3 I could never get the feeling as though they aren't in my ear, I could constantly feel there presence. The build of the earpieces is good enough but the cable is yuck! Why the hell did they cut costs there? If they are charging so much for these, the least they should have done was to provide a decent cable. The cable also has a memory effect and tend to go back to their earlier position. The L-plug with the strain reliefs is a plus point. Isolation is about above average and if not equal than a tad bit more than M3.
Sound:
Form the first listen these IEMs sounded lush, with superb detail and excellent imaging although lacking somewhere in soundstage. I from the first listen felt one of the dimensions of the soundstage to be lacking a bit compared to others. These have great depth in them, but aren't very good width wise. The height is also good and overall, the soundstage is definitely an upgrade from M3. I also felt that the bass has been overexaggerated on these, Bass isnt really emphasized on these and rather than having significant quantity of boomy muddy bass that a basshead might fancy, these have a controlled, weighty and refined bass with great impact which is very much to my liking. Although I expected the Bass to go very very low and extend deep, they didn't impress me as much as I thought they would in this particular department of bass. The M3 had a more tighter bass, and extended a little more than on the TF10. (This could also have been because of the way they fitted me, will try these later with the Sony hybrids which I prefer over the stock silicone tips I got with the TF10.)
The treble is a huge improvement over the M3 and Im quite satisfied with it. They aren't too piercing or too laid-back for me. I can finally hear the upper-mids and highs with good energy and detail. The mids actually did disappoint me in certain tracks, I reckon they cannot keep up with the energy, detail and Naturalness of the instruments and the imaging.The mids sound quite recessed when playing 128kbps mp3 files but things improve with FLAC/320kbps. TF10, with certain tracks (or rather genre; For eg. Pop, Jazz, Classical, Fusion) have a sense of artificiality with the vocals, and with certain genre's like metal and rock they sound fine. The mids definitely aren't the strength of these IEMs, I should also like to add that the mids aren't fluid but rather thick. The overall tonality of TF10 is a bit thick and impactful, be it the bass or the vocals. Electronic instruments as well as acoustic sound excellent. A certain degree of musicality from the vocal seems to be missing, specially with certain Fusion-based genre's like for eg. Rabbi Shergill, Kailash Kher etc. I must say it again though, the instruments sound really excellent and the imaging is also the best I've heard. They sound the best for genre's like metal, rock and electronica. They are also very revealing of the soundtrack.
The presentation is overall very likable, they lack a bit in terms of width wrt the depth and the height they have, and a result they sound quite intimate. Instrument separation is astonishingly excellent and they have the ability to portray the tinniest of the fragments of a soundtrack with great accuracy.
Pro's and Con's:
+Great set of accessories (Specially the shiny metal case)
+Detachable Cables
+Excellent imaging and instrument separation
+Near-perfect Bass
+Overall Very good Presentation
+Astonishingly Detailed
+Treble neither too piercing nor too laid-back
-Mids may not be up to the mark in certain genre's/tracks
-The cable seems cheap and fragile
-USD400 MSRP
-Fit isn't really great; some may have difficulty getting a decent fit
-Huge size
-Not very comfortable to wear
-They could do with some more width soundstage wise
To sum it up they are excellent IEM's but I wouldn't pay anything more than wait I paid to get them (~USD200), would definitely not buy them at their MSRP. The mids aren't as bad as they are made out to be by some people but aren't very good either. After paying around ~147% more money than the M3, I could say I have got a ~15% increase in SQ (not that I'm complaining or that I expected a 147% increase in SQ as well).
Also please keep in mind that I only have my unamped Fuze as a source.
These are my impressions about them after using them for 3-4 days only and are subject to change without notice
P.S There may be some errors but I'm feeling to lazy to go through it again and correct any mistakes that I might have done, do pardon any mistakes for now. I will go through it again at some later time and correct any mistakes I might have made.
My initial impressions of TF10:
Build and Fit:
This was a major concern for me as many people reported fit issues with it. The first thing I did when I received them was try to fit them in my ear (even though I did not have my fuze at that particular time) but I didn't have much of an issue in doing so, I wouldn't say that they fitted me perfectly (like the M3 did) but still they were atleast not falling off as I had feared them to. I must say that the ear pieces are quite big in size, which is a negative for me as they poke out of my ears and look odd. These also aren't very comfortable to wear, like with the M3 I could never get the feeling as though they aren't in my ear, I could constantly feel there presence. The build of the earpieces is good enough but the cable is yuck! Why the hell did they cut costs there? If they are charging so much for these, the least they should have done was to provide a decent cable. The cable also has a memory effect and tend to go back to their earlier position. The L-plug with the strain reliefs is a plus point. Isolation is about above average and if not equal than a tad bit more than M3.
Sound:
Form the first listen these IEMs sounded lush, with superb detail and excellent imaging although lacking somewhere in soundstage. I from the first listen felt one of the dimensions of the soundstage to be lacking a bit compared to others. These have great depth in them, but aren't very good width wise. The height is also good and overall, the soundstage is definitely an upgrade from M3. I also felt that the bass has been overexaggerated on these, Bass isnt really emphasized on these and rather than having significant quantity of boomy muddy bass that a basshead might fancy, these have a controlled, weighty and refined bass with great impact which is very much to my liking. Although I expected the Bass to go very very low and extend deep, they didn't impress me as much as I thought they would in this particular department of bass. The M3 had a more tighter bass, and extended a little more than on the TF10. (This could also have been because of the way they fitted me, will try these later with the Sony hybrids which I prefer over the stock silicone tips I got with the TF10.)
The treble is a huge improvement over the M3 and Im quite satisfied with it. They aren't too piercing or too laid-back for me. I can finally hear the upper-mids and highs with good energy and detail. The mids actually did disappoint me in certain tracks, I reckon they cannot keep up with the energy, detail and Naturalness of the instruments and the imaging.The mids sound quite recessed when playing 128kbps mp3 files but things improve with FLAC/320kbps. TF10, with certain tracks (or rather genre; For eg. Pop, Jazz, Classical, Fusion) have a sense of artificiality with the vocals, and with certain genre's like metal and rock they sound fine. The mids definitely aren't the strength of these IEMs, I should also like to add that the mids aren't fluid but rather thick. The overall tonality of TF10 is a bit thick and impactful, be it the bass or the vocals. Electronic instruments as well as acoustic sound excellent. A certain degree of musicality from the vocal seems to be missing, specially with certain Fusion-based genre's like for eg. Rabbi Shergill, Kailash Kher etc. I must say it again though, the instruments sound really excellent and the imaging is also the best I've heard. They sound the best for genre's like metal, rock and electronica. They are also very revealing of the soundtrack.
The presentation is overall very likable, they lack a bit in terms of width wrt the depth and the height they have, and a result they sound quite intimate. Instrument separation is astonishingly excellent and they have the ability to portray the tinniest of the fragments of a soundtrack with great accuracy.
Pro's and Con's:
+Great set of accessories (Specially the shiny metal case
) +Detachable Cables
+Excellent imaging and instrument separation
+Near-perfect Bass
+Overall Very good Presentation
+Astonishingly Detailed
+Treble neither too piercing nor too laid-back
-Mids may not be up to the mark in certain genre's/tracks
-The cable seems cheap and fragile
-USD400 MSRP
-Fit isn't really great; some may have difficulty getting a decent fit
-Huge size
-Not very comfortable to wear
-They could do with some more width soundstage wise
To sum it up they are excellent IEM's but I wouldn't pay anything more than wait I paid to get them (~USD200), would definitely not buy them at their MSRP. The mids aren't as bad as they are made out to be by some people but aren't very good either. After paying around ~147% more money than the M3, I could say I have got a ~15% increase in SQ (not that I'm complaining or that I expected a 147% increase in SQ as well
). Also please keep in mind that I only have my unamped Fuze as a source.
These are my impressions about them after using them for 3-4 days only and are subject to change without notice
P.S There may be some errors but I'm feeling to lazy to go through it again and correct any mistakes that I might have done, do pardon any mistakes for now. I will go through it again at some later time and correct any mistakes I might have made.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Great impressions. They are practically matching what I felt about them 100%. However I did find the bass to be muddy in some tracks. But that could be down to fit.
When changing between TF10 and M3s, I immediately liked the M3s bass which felt more defined and a bit more extended. However I suddenly felt like the treble just disappeared when I tried the M3s. Definitely a very noticeable difference in treble performance between the M3s and TF10s.
I did not find the mids terrible but they were recessed in many songs while in some songs they sounded fine.
Great impressions. They are practically matching what I felt about them 100%. However I did find the bass to be muddy in some tracks. But that could be down to fit.
When changing between TF10 and M3s, I immediately liked the M3s bass which felt more defined and a bit more extended. However I suddenly felt like the treble just disappeared when I tried the M3s. Definitely a very noticeable difference in treble performance between the M3s and TF10s.
I did not find the mids terrible but they were recessed in many songs while in some songs they sounded fine.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Exactly what I felt about them. They aren't terrible as they are made out to be but not very good either.
BTW I could buy the twilight cable for them provided somebody convinces me of their benefits. Pardon my ignorance, but how can changing cables improve SQ?
Exactly what I felt about them. They aren't terrible as they are made out to be but not very good either.
BTW I could buy the twilight cable for them provided somebody convinces me of their benefits. Pardon my ignorance, but how can changing cables improve SQ?
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
I really dont think you should bother. I seriously doubt cables make much of a difference. My dad gave me a IC saying it was a silver cable and I suddenly felt the sound was more transparent and a bit more top end.
After a few days he told me that its not really a silver cable. Its the same IC he made for me earlier with a silver coloured sleeve. :ashamed:
I have ordered a real silver cable so let me see if I really do hear something different before I make some sense of cables.
I really dont think you should bother. I seriously doubt cables make much of a difference. My dad gave me a IC saying it was a silver cable and I suddenly felt the sound was more transparent and a bit more top end.
After a few days he told me that its not really a silver cable. Its the same IC he made for me earlier with a silver coloured sleeve. :ashamed:
I have ordered a real silver cable so let me see if I really do hear something different before I make some sense of cables.
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
@Mephistopheles,
Excellent impressions. You are right about vocals. They lack life, especially notable when coming from IEMs like RE-262. But for bass, especially on the impact part, try a different tip / source.
More and more people agreeing on mids not being too recessed. Makes me wonder why the head-fi consensus is totally different.
As for changing cables, at least Twilight cable feels better. You won't last long with the stock cables anyways
. My theory is that the signals travel much faster through the braided cables (two way lane) than the memory prone (road with too many bends) stock cable
@Mephistopheles,
Excellent impressions. You are right about vocals. They lack life, especially notable when coming from IEMs like RE-262. But for bass, especially on the impact part, try a different tip / source.
More and more people agreeing on mids not being too recessed. Makes me wonder why the head-fi consensus is totally different.
As for changing cables, at least Twilight cable feels better. You won't last long with the stock cables anyways
. My theory is that the signals travel much faster through the braided cables (two way lane) than the memory prone (road with too many bends) stock cable
Re: Can someone lend me their RE-ZERO
Err this is not the Mumbai Coimbatore highway ! Its a 1 - 2 foot wire where signals travel close to the speed of light !!!!
esanthosh said:My theory is that the signals travel much faster through the braided cables (two way lane) than the memory prone (road with too many bends) stock cable
Err this is not the Mumbai Coimbatore highway ! Its a 1 - 2 foot wire where signals travel close to the speed of light !!!!
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