Can someone explain WHY some people want a Telangana state?

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Sure, we have yet to scratch the surface about the economic implications this move will have. We are creating borders where none existed, what does that do to taxes and duty to goods & services transacted across them. How does it change the investment scenario etc.

Why does the ultra nationalist BJP support the cause? If any patriots out there getting heart burns then these guys should be first in line. But there aren't.

Votes, plain & simple and its really upto congress to lose them at this point.

That region was under the nizam rule until 1948. Regions beyond those borders were ruled by other rulers.

Telangana came under various islamic rulers for hundreds of years and were subject to brutal persecution. If they had been broken like you say then they would have converted to islam long time ago but the majority didn't. There still hindu and there still fighting. I don't see any inferiority in them. They live simple lives cause there poor. There poor cause they decided to trust there blood.

Years of islamic rule, what do you expect.

So this is a yearning to recreate the old hyderabad state of the Nizam from days gone by?

What is Telangana ?

Hyderbad state as ruled by the Nizam

 

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So this is a yearning to recreate the old hyderabad state of the Nizam from days gone by?

Yearning as a basis for a separate state? NO

 

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After independence the state was forced to join the rest of andhra and thereafter, the region was neglected for years, even after separatism movement were initiated, the state hardly received any infrastructure development.

wiki appears to confirm this but i need to find better info on it.

 

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Votes, plain & simple and its really upto congress to lose them at this point.

BJP has long term goals in the telangana region. BJP doesn't like the coastal too much and i'll leave it at that.

wiki appears to confirm this but i need to find better info on it.

Like kashmir. The muslim leadership ruling the hindu majority didn't want to join the rest of andhra. India made them join after using brute force. That doesn't mean the people didn't want to join and i think they were happy with the turn of events. That was 1948. The separatist movement started 20 years later over lack of promises. here

 

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Can you define what Telangana is ?

 

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Can you define what Telangana is ?

What according to you should be the basis while forming a state?

Somebody JUST updated the telangana wiki page. Now it looks like a page of a sovereign state of india.
Telangana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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A set of common beliefs at the most abstract level.

As you dig deeper, language and by extension culture come into play. After independence languages were used as the basis to create the states so they could hold on to their cultural heritage. Languages in this sense supercede religon or caste.

There are other older constructs as well, like religon or race. But these would have played a role much earlier as a result of the demographic setup upto the point of independence.

My trouble with understanding the creation of Telegana is in first trying to differrentiate it from the rest of the Andhra state with an interest to finding what uniqely defines the people from this area. So far all i have is its borders were defined by the former Nizam. That's how Telegana is defined geographically.

Other than that we have this set of grievances that we are told are representative of a subset of the ppl. Could this be the basis for a common set of beliefs ?

I don't know

 

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This is a good read to understand telangana from a telangana writer.
Don't need to feel inferior anymore- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Quite opposite. The region of telangana are very rich in minerals and resources but the people are farmers. Guess who people own the mines in telangana and rayalaseema region. Guess who owns reality in posh hyderabad regions. Guess who are gobbling up huge farmer lands in telangana.

Well I never denied that, But Andhra region has agriculture in addition to a bit of industry.

If I am right in assuming that you are from the Telangana region, then I am sorry to say that your statements make me think that you are another one of those few people with an Inferiority complex about their own heritage and people. Do you truly want to say that Telangana people were never able to capitalize on their resources while andhra people were able to in the very same place. I don't know what to say to that. You also state that Telangana suffered from muslim rulers as if its the only part of India that was ruled by outsiders.

If thats really what you meant, then I can see a classic case of ant and grasshopper story in your argument. The grasshopper idled and then cried foul becasue its not getting a share of what the ant toiled hard to build up. Fortunately I don't think it applies to all Telangana people as most of the people who I know from Telangana have worked for their future and they don't feel that Telanagana is being poorly treated or the need for a new state.

Ask yourself, what is profitable? Agriculture in coastal? or mining in telangana and rayalaseema?

Lets suppose you run out of food and coal and have only enough for buying one of those. What will you do? I guess you will buy coal.

Silly me, here I was thinking that all those profits from mining in end are to ensure that you can fill your stomach with food every day.

Food commodities always hold more importance than anything else.

You have no idea what your talking about. The day the region gets divided, and it will be inevitable(mark those words), all the rich coastal hoonchoos will be crying mad because they'll have to go back to farming there agricultural lands back in coastal andhra.

That's the height of naivety. You yourself say that Andhra people have taken over a lot of land and industry in Telangana. So how is the split going to change anything. Its not like Telangana people can seize what Andhra people legitamately own in Telangana. The only difference will be that the govt in Telangana will get the taxes. As for Andhra region, it has more industry than you give it credit for, its not just agriculture.

HAHA a lot of revenue is earned from agriculture? Seriously, are you representing the AP congress party on this forum?

No, but you definitely judging by the way you talk, to seem be to paid by TRS to post here. :rofl:You seem to seriously underestimate agriculture and its importance.

So the peanut agriculture money made from coastal andhra is spend in telangana and the mining money made in rayalaseema and telanagana is spent on coastal. I wonder which part of the people are responsible to make such a brilliant system?

Correction !! Mining does not happen by itself. If as you said Andhra people have taken control of industry and mining in Telangana, then it means that they are investing and providing work.

Hyderabad is right in middle of telangana. The honeypot from where the rabid islamic rulers oversee there persecution activities. The city is in question not because of history but because of the reality the coastals own in the city.

Whoever talked about history. I don't care whoever owned Hyd 100 years back or if it was part of Telangana. Every part of India was owned by some one or the other and some region or the other the other and that kept changing over time. I am only concerned about the present and the amusing way TRS claims it to be part of Telangana.

In the present day a majority of the industry and real estate is owned by Andhra people (which even you seem to agree). If its on the basis that it once used be part of region for which TRS wants a seperate state, then by that logic, 3/4 of India should belong to Afghans/Persians after the British left.

 

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Andhra region has agriculture in addition to a bit of industry.

Buying cheap land from poor farmers in telangana is easy because they are dry and infertile. That's how a lot of parks got setup.

you are another one of those few people with an Inferiority complex about their own heritage and people.

Thank you ji for that very discriminatory assessment of the user "broadway". I should ask, how did you even make that assessment doctor?

Do you truly want to say that Telangana people were never able to capitalize on their resources while andhra people were able to in the very same place. I don't know what to say to that.

That's called "robbing them blind".

You also state that Telangana suffered from muslim rulers as if its the only part of India that was ruled by outsiders.

So, your a victim too? So sad.

The grasshopper idled and then cried foul becasue its not getting a share of what the ant toiled hard to build up.

Keep talking man. Your justification and the way you wash your hands off this mess is interesting to read. Coastal andhra toils and telangana cries and...??

Food commodities always hold more importance than anything else.

What about saudi arabia? They have a lot oil resources but no agricultural output. Is there a conspiracy there?

You yourself say that Andhra people have taken over a lot of land and industry in Telangana. So how is the split going to change anything.

Everything is not that simple. If telangana gets statehood then the andhra govt. officials serving in telangana will have to go. That seriously undercuts the andhra influence on telangana. The coastal hoochus will by time be coerced into selling there properties and related interests - at lower than market rates. They'll be sent packing back to coastal where they'll have to fire there servants working on there agriculture fields and do the Ploughing themselves.

You seem to seriously underestimate agriculture and its importance.

I don't know much about agriculture but i do know about economics more than they teach you in graduation.

Correction !! Mining does not happen by itself. If as you said Andhra people have taken control of industry and mining in Telangana, then it means that they are investing and providing work.

??? So generous of the coastals?

 

[TECH HUNTER]

Well said.
Ofcourse its also because of incapable leaders and ignorant telangana people.
But cant say we were fully exploited.people of andhra has also contributed for overall development.may it be small part.

 

[Kamcoolin]

My trouble with understanding the creation of Telegana is in first trying to differrentiate it from the rest of the Andhra state with an interest to finding what uniqely defines the people from this area. So far all i have is its borders were defined by the former Nizam. That's how Telegana is defined geographically.

What part the movement are u not able to Understand.
Even if i tell U,i dont think u will understand.

The state was formed on the basis of Language,which in itself is a flaw considering that we have 7 states speaking hindi.
And at this time of Globalization,where ur mother tongue doesnt matter.
Ur presumption of All telugu shuld have one state is no use.

The resources of this region are not proportionately used in the regions as per population .In true words ,they looted this region for most part let it be power ,coal or water.

Do u hav any idea as how many Govt colleges and Schools are there in Telangana region and in Andhra Region,its more than 2 times.I'm talking abt only Govt ,Govt Aided.

Do u know how many Universities are started in Telangana(leave alone Hyd)
post the Independence till 2001,when actually the movement surfaced again -1 and
Guess what in Andhra more than 10 were started.
Why do u think it happened.

Now to the Water Part.
Both Rivers of Krishna and Godavari flow more than 70% in Telangana,and just 10% of its water is used for irrigation in Telangana.And the rest have to either depend on god's power or use ground water,so electrcity bills.The region is looted to utmost levels.
Search" Farmer Suicides in Telangana region".U will get a better picture.
And u can guess where the rest it Used.

And to the Industries,there were more than ten well established industries like Nizam Sugars,Kagazhnagar Paper Mills ,Singareni Coal Mines here b4 the states were reorganized,and none was there in Andhra region.Now even today we have same old industries and most are locked down.
Look at Vizag the Bright side of Ap or for that matter Vijayawada or Nellore or Tirupathi .Have u ever heard of any industry being setup in any part Telangana (Exclude Hyderabad-This just the plight of telangana excluding Hyd).Just in last 10yrs of our belated, loved CM's Rule more than 10 Industries were started just in Cuddapah district.

Then the Jobs ,have u ever heard of GO 610,its and Government Order,so the government itself declared that,local Telangana people are not given enough jobs in their region.It way issued more than 20yrs ago and still it doesnt see the day light.

These are just few of the issues,and if we start to dig deeper,this region will have more commonalities with other states rather than differences.

One more thing,abt all the people saying that i lived in Ap or Hyderabad and i knw that this just a one man's political motive and I dont see any other person talking abt this.
Then u r living in Ignorance,just living in Hyd and watching a telugu movie or telugu channel and having a chat in the office with u r telugu colleague abt all the fuss, doesnt make u know or understand anything about the plight of this region .
U shuld have been born ,educated in this region and shuld have gone to the villages of this region in other districts.

Dont be foolish enough to compare this with other states or Kashmir .

 

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Now to the Water Part.
Both Rivers of Krishna and Godavari flow more than 70% in Telangana,and just 10% of its water is used for irrigation in Telangana.

Yes, i mentioned this earlier. Telangana region has it's share of rivers and water projects. They are so huge that sustainability is not even in question. If properly channeled, the region could get surplus water supply throughout and could yield exceptional agricultural output. But the state lacks irrigation facilities.

Though, the same cannot be said about rayalaseema. Telangana has to balls to leave but rayalaseema has no choice but to hang around with coastal and live the nightmare.

 

[Kamcoolin]

Well said.
Ofcourse its also because of incapable leaders and ignorant telangana people.
But cant say we were fully exploited.people of andhra has also contributed for overall development.may it be small part.

Its just not only about incapable leaders,and not all are incapable.
The total number of MLA's in AP are 294,out which Telangana Region has 119(Exclude 15 from Hyd Constituency)
so its just 1/3rd ,how can u expect to get things developed in this region.
They will pass any resolution for the development of other regions,however when it comes to this region,they would say we will think about it later.
And business Lobbying also works in most cases.
Most of the people from Rayalaseema,Andhra have so much wealth,that they can easily overpower the leaders here.Just take an example of an Prominent Mp from that region,he is one of the richest MP's in India.He has more Money than all of the MP's put together from this region.

Why do u look down on urself,by calling Ignorant people.

So if they contributed a small part to the overall development,do u think they should be allowed to Exploit this region ?

 

[kippu]

good counter posts kamcoolin and broadway ..., i still feel breaking tiny states is not the way to go , but hey whats in our hands

 

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Thx for the posts from the Telengana side

So what happens now ?

i still feel breaking tiny states is not the way to go

What was described there is typical of situation in mineral rich areas everywhere. If its oil they call it the black curse.

You have minerals but not the expertise or capital to exploit it, in come the mining companies that create a deal that is usually not in the hosts advantage to cover risks etc. The start up costs can be very large, once the mines start working, the locals feel cheated and get grumpy over getting a bad deal.

With oil, countries nationalised the industry and cut out the foreign companies. In this case they want to create a state of their own to achieve the same. I feel its a pattern that could get repeated elsewhere in the country where the same already exists.

It all boils down to that question -- at what point(s) do the interests of the minority trump those of the majority, given this is happening within a state ?

 

[Kamcoolin]

Thx for the posts from the Telengana side

So what happens now ?
What was described there is typical of situation in mineral rich areas everywhere. If its oil they call it the black curse.

You have minerals but not the expertise or capital to exploit it, in come the mining companies that create a deal that is usually not in the hosts advantage to cover risks etc. The start up costs can be very large, once the mines start working, the locals feel cheated and get grumpy over getting a bad deal.

With oil, countries nationalised the industry and cut out the foreign companies. In this case they want to create a state of their own to achieve the same. I feel its a pattern that could get repeated elsewhere in the country where the same already exists.

It all boils down to that question -- at what point(s) do the interests of the minority trump those of the majority, given this is happening within a state ?

Here Mining is a smaller issue,And if u talk about Coal Mines,they were well established b4 independence.So the case u were refering to doesnt relate to this.
And about the pattern of repeating elsewhere,as i told before u shuld not compare it with others.Take it as different case,and study on it.
I'm not for or against creation of new states,it should clearly be studied,understood on what basis we can form a new state or we cannot.
If we dont do that for the sake that ,tomorrow someone will ask for a new state.India would not have had 28 states in the first place.

Abt the boling point,this was crossed way long back and we are still trying to get it down.However that doesnt seem to happen.

 

[Roxtin]

I need State of Kondhwa to be made and so for all places of Pune and then same for all the states all over India. It's better to die in small fragments than to to live in a single Strong country :no:

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Buying cheap land from poor farmers in telangana is easy because they are dry and infertile. That's how a lot of parks got setup.

And whose fault is that?

Thank you ji for that very discriminatory assessment of the user "broadway". I should ask, how did you even make that assessment doctor?

Read your own posts again. The way you implied that Telangana people are helpless before everyone else and are unable to utilize the resources in their own land and how everyone else is exploiting telangana and how you were so helpless all these years. Reeks of an inferiority complex and pessimism to me.

That's called "robbing them blind".

And I would say its a few telangana people idling away their time in demands for a new state because they want easy jobs/money and progress without working for it while rest of the telangana and andhra people worked hard and made their lives better on their own. These few jealous and greedy blacksheep day dream that they can easily take over now what others toiled for.

Everything is not that simple. If telangana gets statehood then the andhra govt. officials serving in telangana will have to go. That seriously undercuts the andhra influence on telangana. The coastal hoochus will by time be coerced into selling there properties and related interests - at lower than market rates. They'll be sent packing back to coastal where they'll have to fire there servants working on there agriculture fields and do the Ploughing themselves.

LOL.. You have a vivid imagination. It also probably proves my previous assessment.

So, your a victim too? So sad.

My my, are you saying that in the last 1000 years Telangana is the only region in India that has been under foreign rule. Maybe you should revise your school history books once more.

What about saudi arabia? They have a lot oil resources but no agricultural output. Is there a conspiracy there?

Oh and they don't exchange that oil for food? Money, Oil, Minerals...in the end everything boils down to food and agriculture is the primary source of it. Its the ultimate currency. People existed long before they learned how to dig for oil or mine for minerals. But they always needed food. Procurement of food would always be of heightest priority for any govt. Everything comes after that.

The total number of MLA's in AP are 294,out which Telangana Region has 119(Exclude 15 from Hyd Constituency)

so its just 1/3rd ,how can u expect to get things developed in this region.

119/294 comes out to 40%. So you are saying that 40% of the MLA's for 1 of the 3 regions in AP is not nearly enough. Any particular reason why these MLA's pass resolutions that benefit other regions while the ones for their own region are not accepted by the other MLA's? Its not like the rest of the 60% belong to only one region. A balance can easily be worked out if you have 40% of the MLA's and 60% to two other regions. Is it another conspiracy theory where Andhra and Rayalaseema MLA's band together to ostracize Telangana.

 

[Kamcoolin]

And whose fault is that?

Thanks to Lord Nemesis,the World today found out whose fault is it,If some people are Poor. :clap:

Excellent Logic.