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In a first, AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine Covishield can cause rare side effects
The pharmaceutical company is being sued in a class action over claims that its vaccine against Covid-19, developed with the University of Oxford, caused death and serious injury, including TTS
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AstraZeneca acknowledges its covid vaccine can lead to rare blood clot side effects; Here's what we know
AstraZeneca, in collaboration with the University of Oxford, admits its Covid-19 vaccine can cause a rare side effect, Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS). The admission comes amidst a lawsuit alleging severe harm and deaths caused by the vaccine. Kate, wife of a victim, demands an...
Mr.J
Skilled
You're saying you know more than 5 lakh people who died because of vaccines? Cause that's our official number of people who died from COVID.
thomasjude47
Disciple
Any source or evidence for this claim?
One of the ways through which COVID kills is through clot formation. Vaccine induced thrombosis is very well known.. but the scale and risk are much less compared to the thrombosis risk associated with a covid infection..many large multi centre studies are awaiting publication.
There was an ongoing single centre study in a hospital that I worked which observed and compared cases with suspected vaccine induced thrombosis and COVID pcr positive cases. With the collected data the benefits of vaccination far outweighed the risks associated with covid, the infection related thrombosis was 16 times as compared with vaccine group in this study . Not claiming that this is a good evidence, since the study never achieved the sample size and results were calculated on partial data.
eternoMind
Skilled
That's jumping the gun.
Let's be honest, it was an event with too many variables. Moreover, the vaccine was developed at a much faster pace than what was conventional. As I've mentioned before on this thread, administering the vaccines was a probabilistic call and net-net, saved many more lives than they're alleged to have took.
@thomasjude47
> Any source or evidence for this claim?
Till the date this news came up, lot of people wouldn't even admit:
> Vaccine induced thrombosis is very well known
Convenient that;
> but the scale and risk are much less compared to the thrombosis risk associated with a covid infection..many large multi centre studies are awaiting publication.
In the initial days of vaccine itself, one man got seriously ill. Everybody dissed his case and he was eventually forcefully purged from mainstream. Then came discussions that some people got issues, they were discredited as one off cases, without proof /merit.
The thing is, does these companies ever want the real proof to be out ?
When arguments like below happen, whom you can trust?
Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
Can't keep on blaming people for ever.
> Any source or evidence for this claim?
Till the date this news came up, lot of people wouldn't even admit:
> Vaccine induced thrombosis is very well known
Convenient that;
> but the scale and risk are much less compared to the thrombosis risk associated with a covid infection..many large multi centre studies are awaiting publication.
In the initial days of vaccine itself, one man got seriously ill. Everybody dissed his case and he was eventually forcefully purged from mainstream. Then came discussions that some people got issues, they were discredited as one off cases, without proof /merit.
The thing is, does these companies ever want the real proof to be out ?
When arguments like below happen, whom you can trust?
Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
Can't keep on blaming people for ever.
nitin_g3
Adept
Some clarification if people misunderstood what I meant.
I know 5 relatives/known persons who died due to sudden blood clotting in their brain or cardiac arrest but have no relatives/known persons who died due to covid.
NOT talking about official govt numbers. And don't want any debate on that.
anmolbhard004
Adept
did anyone got Sputnik V??
NikhilSingh25
Disciple
My boss who sits in the same office as me got Covid and was under Quarantine for a almost a month.
But I Never got the vaccine , and didn't even got sick once during the whole pandemic.
But I Never got the vaccine , and didn't even got sick once during the whole pandemic.
@TinTinSnowy
Don't know why, but that Dr.'s posts reads like a rant.
Using lot of words 'politics, scientifically illiterate, anti-this-that', blah blah.
Wondering whether the likes of him discussed about vaccine effects during vaccine drive, than now stating 'it's well known'.
May be he got a point or two, but talking like typical joe-six-pack is not going to gain lot of interest.
Don't know why, but that Dr.'s posts reads like a rant.
Using lot of words 'politics, scientifically illiterate, anti-this-that', blah blah.
Wondering whether the likes of him discussed about vaccine effects during vaccine drive, than now stating 'it's well known'.
May be he got a point or two, but talking like typical joe-six-pack is not going to gain lot of interest.
TinTinSnowy
Adept
Not sure about him, but I did see a lot of content about this online and on TV channel debates during Covid. The consensus was mostly the same: the risk of blood clotting is higher with a Covid infection than with vaccination. It's not something new; it has been disclosed before, and anti-vaxxers just need something to fuel their agenda.
@TinTinSnowy
> Not sure about him
Most toxically positive kinds will conveniently keep mum on several topics which does not benefit them.
These days social media influencers drive lot of propaganda for vested interests, hence suspicious of his verbiage.
> The consensus was mostly the same: the risk of blood clotting is higher with a Covid infection than with vaccination.
Wondering what is the consensus about getting a vaccine after Covid19 infection then.
Lot of pro-vaccine people like me took vaccine within few days of testing -ve from Covid19 infection.
> It's not something new; it has been disclosed before,
Probably was not given the attention and due process it deserves during mass vaccination drive.
> It's not something new; it has been disclosed before,
Hm... As if toxically pro-vaccine people are automatically so intelligent, fully literate with multiple degrees in scientific medicine, are form of human perfection who can never be wrong and are fountain of eternal knowledge. And oh, they don't have vested interests at all, they fell from heaven to save humanity right in time before Covi19.
Would like to see open information from both sides, which are without bias and transparent.
Lot of murkiness around Covid19 (gain-of-function labs / manipulations, etc. etc.), leave alone vaccines.
> Not sure about him
Most toxically positive kinds will conveniently keep mum on several topics which does not benefit them.
These days social media influencers drive lot of propaganda for vested interests, hence suspicious of his verbiage.
> The consensus was mostly the same: the risk of blood clotting is higher with a Covid infection than with vaccination.
Wondering what is the consensus about getting a vaccine after Covid19 infection then.
Lot of pro-vaccine people like me took vaccine within few days of testing -ve from Covid19 infection.
> It's not something new; it has been disclosed before,
Probably was not given the attention and due process it deserves during mass vaccination drive.
> It's not something new; it has been disclosed before,
Hm... As if toxically pro-vaccine people are automatically so intelligent, fully literate with multiple degrees in scientific medicine, are form of human perfection who can never be wrong and are fountain of eternal knowledge. And oh, they don't have vested interests at all, they fell from heaven to save humanity right in time before Covi19.
Would like to see open information from both sides, which are without bias and transparent.
Lot of murkiness around Covid19 (gain-of-function labs / manipulations, etc. etc.), leave alone vaccines.
TinTinSnowy
Adept
Liver Doc single-handedly exposed fake medicines, alcohol sold under the guise of Ayurveda and homeopathy, as well as heavy metals in Ayurveda and homeopathy products. He also called out many other pseudosciences and fake beliefs held by people. He has now started another initiative to test the quality of generic medicine. These responsibilities should have been undertaken by our government, which is instead wasting public money to the tune of thousands of crores on the Ayush Ministry while cutting down budgets for science.
I don't see any problem with supporting such a person, and I will do so.
thomasjude47
Disciple
News is not data or evidence, maybe yes for conspiracy theorists. What you are pointing out are just anecdotes.
Was it due to COVID/vaccine or some other cause? Any proof? Or just a correlation?
@TinTinSnowy
> He has now started another initiative to test the quality of generic medicine. These responsibilities should have been undertaken by our government
That is very good to see.
> thomasjude47
> News is not data or evidence, maybe yes for conspiracy theorists. What you are pointing out are just anecdotes.
There can be data of evidence in News.
Sometimes conspiracy theorists tend to be right.
Lot of anecdotes becomes statistics.
Like:
oversight.house.gov
Dr. Fauci Funded Virus Research At Wuhan Which Would Leave Zero Trace Of ‘Human Manipulation’
FBI found it ‘alarming’ that Fauci and NIH were funding ‘gain-of-function’ research
> He has now started another initiative to test the quality of generic medicine. These responsibilities should have been undertaken by our government
That is very good to see.
> thomasjude47
> News is not data or evidence, maybe yes for conspiracy theorists. What you are pointing out are just anecdotes.
There can be data of evidence in News.
Sometimes conspiracy theorists tend to be right.
Lot of anecdotes becomes statistics.
Like:
Hearing Wrap Up: Suppression of the Lab Leak Hypothesis Was Not Based in Science - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
Dr. Fauci Funded Virus Research At Wuhan Which Would Leave Zero Trace Of ‘Human Manipulation’
FBI found it ‘alarming’ that Fauci and NIH were funding ‘gain-of-function’ research
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thomasjude47
Disciple
sorry but that's not how it works@TinTinSnowy
> He has now started another initiative to test the quality of generic medicine. These responsibilities should have been undertaken by our government
That is very good to see.
> thomasjude47
> News is not data or evidence, maybe yes for conspiracy theorists. What you are pointing out are just anecdotes.
There can be data of evidence in News.
Sometimes conspiracy theorists tend to be right.
Lot of anecdotes becomes statistics.
Like:
Hearing Wrap Up: Suppression of the Lab Leak Hypothesis Was Not Based in Science - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
Dr. Fauci Funded Virus Research At Wuhan Which Would Leave Zero Trace Of ‘Human Manipulation’
FBI found it ‘alarming’ that Fauci and NIH were funding ‘gain-of-function’ research
anmolbhard004
Adept
Thanks but we will rather listen to "that ranting dr." than your pseudoscientific bs. Throwing random article links into your posts doesn't give any of your claims the credence you think it does. How exactly are you even qualified to criticise him I wonder?
nitin_g3
Adept
In 2 of the cases Doctors said blood clot in the brain vessel, the guy 33 years old, started throwing his limbs uncontrollably in the morning in the bed, and passed away within a minute before his wife could even realize what is happening.
In a similar case, where another know person just dropped dead in the office while working, he was also between 30-35.
Have never seen or heard such cases before, only saw these kind of deaths after covid. And then of course there were conspiracies about vaccine and some kind of after effect of COVID to drive such doubts about vaccine.
After seeing today's news about AstraZeneca, I'm mostly sure that it was indeed some kind of side effect of the vaccine.