I was responding to the particular case in the link you only shared, don't think a rape happened there ? Without going off topic, in this specific case why you were only mentioning woman when a man was also brutally assaulted and finally beheaded at perpetrators hands ?
Delhi gang-rapists sentenced to death
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I was responding to the particular case in the link you only shared, don't think a rape happened there ? Without going off topic, in this specific case why you were only mentioning woman when a man was also brutally assaulted and finally beheaded at perpetrators hands ?
I didn't share that link and wasn't talking about that in my comment you quoted. I was making a connection between rape and honour killings, and what the motives behind them are. I've also used the word "majorly" to make it clear. I know that there are cases where men are victims too, but most of them are not because of their gender. Misandry crimes are far and few between, unlike misogyny crimes, though they are on the rise.
Sorry, I overlooked and thought you posted the link.
Misandry crimes are recorded low because men rarely go to courts claiming women subdued them, many rather live with it or suicide in extreme cases. May be that is why men suicides are higher. This whole idea of misogyny and misandry is new to India, just wait for few years and you will see how it level out. As it is, there are many men's rights groups propping up now and and visible over internet.
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Thanks prole73, please stop getting personal. This is a forum not a boxing match.
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I am not sure, are you 12? Civilized? Why don't you stop your idiosyncrasies and move on 'buddy'?
@all the other uncivilized and uneducated persons, like me: Please stop coming here, don't waste your time to discuss nonsense.
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It was interesting to see so many of my fellow commentators dragging my name and getting all personal. That of course proves that they are civil and in the correct. Of course my opinion and what I want is perceptive to me and I have a right to it. I guess most of these folks who are again giving "gyaan" are the ones who have never experienced horror in real life and think reading philosophy and speaking out from the comfort of an armchair makes them so right.
One should probably have an opinion from all those ladies who have to travel at night or work at night in India. I was in gurgaon and I saw the city. There are animals who eve tease in broad daylight and when you try to stop then they try to gang up on you (happened to me and a female colleague). There are terrorists who take fun in blowing little kids because they are singing the national anthem. One of my dad's students was killed in a bomb blast (the only kid) and his aged father had to see through the same.
You think I don't give a shit to what perverted ideas in society made them like that. Damn right I don't. I don't give two hoots to what made those animals the way they are. You are an animal and by your very act you deserve to die. Enough said.
I hope the admins will make sure that the idiots in this forum who are making it a personal slanging match are not allowed to do the same. We only have gyaanis in our country. When we have to take a hard decision we become all philosophical. That is the reason maybe we are worth shit to the world.
One should probably have an opinion from all those ladies who have to travel at night or work at night in India. I was in gurgaon and I saw the city. There are animals who eve tease in broad daylight and when you try to stop then they try to gang up on you (happened to me and a female colleague). There are terrorists who take fun in blowing little kids because they are singing the national anthem. One of my dad's students was killed in a bomb blast (the only kid) and his aged father had to see through the same.
You think I don't give a shit to what perverted ideas in society made them like that. Damn right I don't. I don't give two hoots to what made those animals the way they are. You are an animal and by your very act you deserve to die. Enough said.
I hope the admins will make sure that the idiots in this forum who are making it a personal slanging match are not allowed to do the same. We only have gyaanis in our country. When we have to take a hard decision we become all philosophical. That is the reason maybe we are worth shit to the world.
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Two things for you to clarify
- do you support the death penalty as it is or do you want it to be used for other crimes as well. Do you agree with the concept of rarest of the rare. Which presently is the only condition under which a death penalty may be levied.
- would you still support the death penalty if there were provisions for life without parole and consecutive life sentences which when taken in toto will exceed the natural life of the perp for crimes in the RoR category.
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Don't you think everyone who's left behind a post on this thread is doing so from the comfort of their armchair? I do. You are entitled your opinion but why unnecessarily dramatize a thread by reminding everyone that they're sitting in an armchair when its pretty obvious to everyone? You're not the only one who realizes the plight of a victim. All of us can sympathize with victims 'from the comfort of our armchair' because unfortunately its all we can do. It may not be the same as experiencing what a victim of a crime goes through but that doesn't mean that everyone on this thread has to march out into the big bad world and put ourselves at risk.
I'm sorry for what yourself and your lady friend went through. Even i've faced a situation where i've had to defend a lady from an aggressive male. The only difference is i came out on top because i was younger and stronger. Instead of feeling disgusted with society, i felt disgusted with myself because i realized how i had stooped down to the level of that aggressive male in blind rage. Its only when i stood strong and tall over that wretch in defense did i realize that i was no different a brute than he was. That situation was a wake up call for me. I realized you can't always keep justifying violence with violence even if its in self-defense. Maybe its a personal thing because i believe i could've done better to handle that situation back then.
The gyaanis that become all philosophical when it boils down to making a hard decision do so not because its a convenient excuse but because a little introspection and deep thinking, albeit slow and time-consuming, can help in finding a permanent solution with the least repercussions unlike quick-fix stop-gap measures.
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So you would let the lady suffer in the hands of the brute rather than fighting him off. That is what I am trying to say that with some animals there is no other way. It is a binary choice between the wrong and the right and you have to make that choice.
Do you think the boy in the delhi rape case did not try to reason with the animals especially the so called juvenille. Did they reason? No, they killed his friend in front of him. As long as I can I will always keep fighting those kind and society should do so.
You do not make friends with the small pox virus. You go to war and you finish them off. (This is a scientific truth and you must know that the only two samples are in russian and usa). We should do the same with them. These animals have no place in "my" post modern world.
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FYI, my mother happens to be the lady. Like your post before this, regarding armchair warriors, you are dangerously oversimplifying a situation with the text in bold. At that time, i felt i should've just asked my Mom to go back inside her house and then handled the situation myself. This did not strike me until i questioned myself why it was that i felt sick to the stomach about what happened. Growing up i was taught that society sets high standards and on that day i failed to live up to those standards. Ever since the Delhi-gang rape case everyone in blind support of the death penalty has conveniently and completely forgotten that we collectively owe society just as much as we feel that society owes us. Its up to us to maintain proper standards even if the society we live in does not measure up.
There's no way any of us can relate to the male victim. We can at best sympathize with him and hope justice is impartial. There's nothing wrong in not being able to relate to him. It does not make you any less human if you cannot or do not wish too. We always run the risk of losing rationality when we emotionally connect with a victim. And once it happens retaining any amount of objectivity is poor. This is what has happened to you.
Really don't know how to respond to this. A virus is not a sentient life form. Its sole purpose is to infect and replicate itself inside a host. Are you telling me that all of the guilty were genetically predisposed towards rape? Can you prove this? Genetic predisposition towards violence is a male attribute firstly while predisposition towards a specific violence like rape is unheard of.
Considering the ironic fact that small pox vaccine is weakened version of cow pox virus (a variant of small pox virus) itself with some peptone added...
Am being reminded of an old Hindi film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ek_Ruka_Hua_Faisla
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Am being reminded of an old Hindi film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ek_Ruka_Hua_Faisla
here...
My last post and I will let the case rest. However, that is what I am trying to say. You had the option of asking your mom to walk inside the house. The guy in the delhi bus did not have that option. If you were weaker or older maybe the other guy would have beaten you up in front of your mom. Sometimes, you do not have the luxury of backing off and playing the morally superior guy. In your case as well, I would rather you beat up the guy then he beating you up and then saying something stupid (only hypothetically, nothing personal) to your mother or anyone you love respect for that matter.
So next time this happens, what will you do...? Now that you feel you can do better...? You know the female and she is being harassed and/or slandered verbally or maybe physically. You have asked the man to move away or stop, he is not ceasing.
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I'd step in between and tell him to clearly back off. If he doesn't then i'd have my mom file an FIR against him.
I'm surprised you asked me this?!
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I would allow that killing is justified in self-defense. Otherwise what are we do when we are attacked.
The difference is once people are convicted and locked up its no longer the same threat. Death penalty is not self-defense. For now its allowed because we lack provisions to keep people incarcerated indefinitely.
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