Delhi gang-rapists sentenced to death

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Your last answer was a reply to a question...what do you expect Indian women to do.

All the diplomatically right answers makes sense when you think with your brains, but we need a different solution to this problem. As we need quick solution, it's time to set some examples so people know the consequences.
 
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Sanav3 said:
Your last answer was a reply to a question...what do you expect Indian women to do.

All the diplomatically right answers makes sense when you think with your brains, but we need a different solution to this problem. As we need quick solution, it's time to set some examples so people know the consequences.
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Let me make it very clear that i'm NOT BLAMING THE ENTIRE FEMALE POPULATION. I'm simply trying to remind everyone the position that women are putting themselves by risking backlash from us men (men like yourself who gallantly and blindly run to their rescue without thinking) when this episode slowly fades into the past.

Also, i think its more constructive to think with my brain at all times.
 
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Yes it is, but I am sure there are times when you react to situations instead of respond to it with your brains.

According to me the situation in India is so bad that we need to react.
 
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Yes it is, but I am sure there are times when you react to situations instead of respond to it with your brains.

According to me the situation in India is so bad that we need to react.
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You can punch back without thinking when someone punches you in the face.
You can scream vulgarities without thinking when someone hurls some at you.

But you cannot stop thinking when you are in a position to influence the law and the nation.
 
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Well said, so according to you what's the solution? The juvenile law needs to be changed as its a cheap trick to get away with anything.

Are you against the death penalty? Consider this case like a gruesome murder done by a group a men, they still deserve death penalty

It would be easy if you tell your point direct instead of hurling western culture and our lady politicians into the picture.
 
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Well said, so according to you what's the solution? The juvenile law needs to be changed as its a cheap trick to get away with anything.

Are you against the death penalty? Consider this case like a gruesome murder done by a group a men, they still deserve death penalty

It would be easy if you tell your point direct instead of hurling western culture and our lady politicians into the picture.
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I am neither for nor against the death penalty. I am in favor of rationality. If you'd exercise some, you'd wake upto the fact that its incredibly scary when majority of a nation's population is biased towards a decision when THERE EXISTS OTHER OPTIONS such as life imprisonment/consecutive life sentences. Since you're so hell bent on dishing out CP i'm not even going to bother with life imprisonment without rehabilitation. As a civilized society i feel its our duty to set high standards. And blindly supporting CP as a penalty is a black mark since it shows that we've failed as civilized society.

Also, i am not hurling western culture/lady politicians, as you've so colorfully put it, into this mix.
 
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They will go to high court next, then supreme court and then president. I think our society is too civilised and this above process is gonna give them at least another decade to live.

Your argument is valid for a society that's developed and educated and responsible for their action, not for India. Even international media has appreciated the death penalty.
 
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I'm simply trying to remind everyone the position that women are putting themselves by risking backlash from us men (men like yourself who gallantly and blindly run to their rescue without thinking) when this episode slowly fades into the past.
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Don't understand what you're trying to say. can you be more explicit.

WHAT position are women putting themelves in.

WHY is that position risking a backlash.
 
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Don't understand what you're trying to say. can you be more explicit.

WHAT position are women putting themelves in.

WHY is that position risking a backlash.
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sid_donnydarko said:
Fighting violence with violence is not helpful. Instead choose to educate and more importantly spread awareness about equal rights. Appeal in a constructive and productive fashion to the rest of the world so that fair and objective laws protecting their rights are instituted, enforced and improved with time.

Today, women in our country believe that women empowerment is to the overpower Indian woman. This is wrong and moreover will not sit well with the average Indian male ego because ultimately we men are the stronger-fragile-ego-driven sex capable of retaliating with tenfold the violence women can. Remember, Jayalalithaa, Mayawati, Mamta Banerjee and Sonia Gandhi won't be around forever. I highly doubt if they've found a female successor who can handle male government sycophants and when they're no longer in the picture god knows the backlash Indian women will face.
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Dude this incident was a gruesome murder and the motive was plain fun for the psychopaths. They raped her and wounded her really bad.

People murder for money, land, power. These guys did it for fun, they enjoyed it.

And your view point that we are over powering the women is false, it's about equality. Equal respect.
 
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Dude this incident was a gruesome murder and the motive was plain fun for the psychopaths. They raped her and wounded her really bad.

People murder for money, land, power. These guys did it for fun, they enjoyed it.

And your view point that we are over powering the women is false, it's about equality. Equal respect.
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If their motive was for fun and if they are psychopaths then we should consider rehabilitating such mentally unstable people while keeping them locked up. Who's to say they aren't sexually abused victims of their past? Their motives for raping and assaulting someone must be investigated to help determine the root cause of such crimes. Sentencing them to death would only serve as a stop-gap measure. The cause of their mental instability will never be known and society will continue to deteriorate.

I never said we are overpowering women. I believe in empowering women and by that i mean helping women realize their full potential and contribute to society as much as us men. Ever since the Delhi-Gang rape case emotions have been running high and the women who feel choked by our hypocritical culture have decided that the only way for them to bring about change is to fight tooth and nail for it. I for one don't believe in fighting fire with fire since its self-destructive at best.
 
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sid_donnydarko said:
If their motive was for fun and if they are psychopaths then we should consider rehabilitating such mentally unstable people while keeping them locked up. Who's to say they aren't sexually abused victims of their past? Their motives for raping and assaulting someone must be investigated to help determine the root cause of such crimes. Sentencing them to death would only serve as a stop-gap measure. The cause of their mental instability will never be known and society will continue to deteriorate.
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Get into the minds of the psychopath. Suspect they've been abused themselves in some way.

The judgement which documents the horrific injuries they inflicted on that poor girl makes for very difficult reading. It just beggars belief, incomprehensible how total strangers can do things like this :(

If i were to hypothetically assign figures to injuries caused, rape would be 10%. The rest would ensure that if she ever survived she would not be a normal person ever again. On top of that they threw her & her companion out of a moving bus, in a cold winter night. Then they tried to run them over with the bus but the guy pulled them out of the way. I don't how they survived at all. But as a result, their testimonies were instrumental in catching the 6, all of whom were apprehended within a week.

I don't think they can be rehabilitated. They are a threat to society. I cannot imagine under what circumstances such people could ever qualify as rehabilitated.

sid_donnydarko said:
I never said we are overpowering women. I believe in empowering women and by that i mean helping women realize their full potential and contribute to society as much as us men. Ever since the Delhi-Gang rape case emotions have been running high and the women who feel choked by our hypocritical culture have decided that the only way for them to bring about change is to fight tooth and nail for it. I for one don't believe in fighting fire with fire since its self-destructive at best.
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Its an overreaction, to be expected after such an incident.
 
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My statement will get a lot of attacks but I still believe and will keep on supporting the death penalty. Some criminals might improve, not the kind definitely that did the Delhi gang rape. Most people in India commit crime knowing full well the repercursions are minimal. Once we set an example and not only once but a consistent example, such cases will decrease. There will be fringe cases who might still do horrendous deeds but the numbers will decrease and that is enough for me.
Since I am a right thinking individual, I am not ever going to do such deeds and I frankly do not give a damn if those who do are hanged.
 
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My statement will get a lot of attacks but I still believe and will keep on supporting the death penalty. Some criminals might improve, not the kind definitely that did the Delhi gang rape. Most people in India commit crime knowing full well the repercursions are minimal. Once we set an example and not only once but a consistent example, such cases will decrease. There will be fringe cases who might still do horrendous deeds but the numbers will decrease and that is enough for me.
Since I am a right thinking individual, I am not ever going to do such deeds and I frankly do not give a damn if those who do are hanged.
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Are you trying to say that if the death penalty is not awarded then potential rapists will continue to commit rapes because they only fear being put to death and not being put behind bars for lifetime?
 
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Are you trying to say that if the death penalty is not awarded then potential rapists will continue to commit rapes because they only fear being put to death and not being put behind bars for lifetime?
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Life imprisonment = 14 years or less (at the discretion of the judge though)
 
Same thought, and also with 14 years of imprisonment they would keep trying to reduce term in higher courts and get out sooner. Graduating to bigger crimes in the society.
 
So let me get this straight...a potential rapist in our country is willing to go through all the trouble of planning how he'll meticulously reduce his life sentence just to rape a woman when instead he could hire a commercial sex worker?
 
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