Delhi gangrape protests

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The basic problem is the thuggish mentality of the people of this country and the general lack of respect/fear for the law or law enforcers. The reason felons like these think they could get away with crimes such as rape/gang rape is the very same reason that a mob of people think they can protest whenever and whatever way they want and get away untouched with what ever they do.

If a mob of students and political party workers can dare to think about bullying the police, judicial system and the govt and try to dictate terms to them (regardless of the reason), then what makes anyone think that the real criminals would have any semblance of fear for the law or that the enforcers are capable of catching them and bringing them to justice.

If police is not capable of controlling unruly people equipped with rocks, how do you think they are going to fare against goons equipped with fire arms and probably political backing.

At the end of the day, what is this protest for? Is it to ensure that justice is done for the victim of this particular crime or to ensure that police action is prompt and justice is done for all and crimes are stopped? If its the later, then sorry we have already failed because the police constable who died at the hands of the mob will never get justice and the culprits would walk way smiling.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
At the end of the day, what is this protest for? Is it to ensure that justice is done for the victim of this particular crime or to ensure that police action is prompt and justice is done for all and crimes are stopped? If its the later, then sorry we have already failed because the police constable who died at the hands of the mob will never get justice and the culprits would walk way smiling.
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It is for both, to ensure justice is done in this particular case and ensure safety of women at all places, especially in Delhi.
Few steps have been already initiated like daily hearing of this particular case from Jan 3 and others which I have mentioned in my last post.

For your last sentence, here is the answer http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=436399&catid=36
 
@honest1, i am all for the passion and resolve with which you supported the protests of these last few days. However, please agree to disagree. You are talking as if the only right thing to do after the horrific incident was join the protests.
 
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China realized it 30 years ago when they imposed the 1child/family. India somehow thinks there is a way to lessen corruption, when there are over a Billion people competing for only so many resources. Extreme corruption, sexual frustration, etc will forever be an inevitable part of not just India but any country/nation out there with the same kind of Population-Resource ratio.
 
honest1 said:
For your last sentence, here is the answer Delhi Police constable dead, 8 booked for murder
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And if I am right, the people were already released on bail. Most likely they will get away free because concrete evidence cannot always be found to pin down particular individuals in cases of mob violence and the defense lawyers do their part to put the blame on the entire mob (which very unfortunately cannot be punished as a whole) to save their clients and even if concrete evidence is found, people like Kejriwal will play political games to ensure that cases are withdrawn altogether. Sorry, Justice is never served in such cases. This is exactly the reason why people often resort to violence when they are in mobs.

A lot of mob violence happened in Hyderabad in 2011 also by the Telengana activists. In facts buses were burned down before our own house and there is concrete evidence against individuals including video footage to show them destroying property and using hurling rocks/beating police men. Even though cases were registered, the political parties and the people forced the judiciary to withdraw all the cases.

There can be no fair justice when people can hold the govt and judiciary system to ransom when ever they want and make it do what ever they want. This is what many of those felons also do to escape except that they do it with the help of political backing or money.
 
eternoMind said:
honest1, i am all for the passion and resolve with which you supported the protests of these last few days. However, please agree to disagree. You are talking as if the only right thing to do after the horrific incident was join the protests.
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I dont see any other thing to do to show my dissension to this horrific incident. Let me know what could be done besides protesting. I believe protesting was the last resort to make the administration hear our voices!
Lord Nemesis, Our judicial system is at the brink of collapsing. There are so many under trials innocent people who are locked up in jail and at the same time, the actual perpetrators who are roaming free! We really need to undertake judicial reforms at the earliest. Sadly a bill is pending somewhere since our politicians dont want to pass it!
I recollect 1 incident where one innocent vegetable seller of 16 years was held in jail for 15 months on charges of stealing Rs 100. During his jail term, his father passed away since he couldnt send him money for so long. Finally he has to accept the crime and then only he got released since the jail term for this kind of crime was 3 months and he has already spent 15 months in jail!

I think in this case, the police is playing politics since Doctors have confirmed that there were no major injuries. Lets wait for the post mortem report, everything will be clear. The case is handed over to crime branch now.
 
honest1 said:
I think in this case, the police is playing politics since Doctors have confirmed that there were no major injuries. Lets wait for the post mortem report, everything will be clear. The case is handed over to crime branch now.
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Doc says constable had a cardiac arrest, but no major injuries.

In another twist to the cause of constable Subhash Tomar's death, the Medical Superintendent at Ram Manohar Lohia hospital, S Sidhu, has said that no major external injury marks were found on the body of the deceased constable and that he suffered a knee injury and a chest bruise. He added that Tomar had already suffered a cardiac arrest before he was brought to the hospital.
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honest1 said:
sid_donnydarko Yes, our juducial system still maintains that one is innocent until proven guilty. I really dont feel that people were asking to hang those perpetrator without giving trial.
Sometimes, enough is enough and then people say that now, we are not going to accept any of your bullshit. These protests, was that moment. People are frustrated by rapes happening in our national capital each day. Nobody wants to protest but have you thought what made young people to go out there and stand in chilling cold?

Without these protests, I really dont feel that govt would had taken the following steps which, now seeing the anger in people, they are taking.
1. Now, there is a judicial commission, which will study the current laws against rape,etc and would go through the suggestions given by public. Report in 1 month.
2. Daily trial of rape cases.
3. Better patrolling in Delhi.
4. Setup of special call center for women in need.

Dont you think that these are positive developments which only happened after our protests?
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honest1 said:
I dont see any other thing to do to show my dissension to this horrific incident. Let me know what could be done besides protesting. I believe protesting was the last resort to make the administration hear our voices!
Lord Nemesis, Our judicial system is at the brink of collapsing. There are so many under trials innocent people who are locked up in jail and at the same time, the actual perpetrators who are roaming free! We really need to undertake judicial reforms at the earliest. Sadly a bill is pending somewhere since our politicians dont want to pass it!
I recollect 1 incident where one innocent vegetable seller of 16 years was held in jail for 15 months on charges of stealing Rs 100. During his jail term, his father passed away since he couldnt send him money for so long. Finally he has to accept the crime and then only he got released since the jail term for this kind of crime was 3 months and he has already spent 15 months in jail!

I think in this case, the police is playing politics since Doctors have confirmed that there were no major injuries. Lets wait for the post mortem report, everything will be clear. The case is handed over to crime branch now.
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sid_donnydarko said:
First off. I don't think you understand exactly what i'm trying to convey. Read your own posts again and again. And hopefully you'll realize your lack of direction let alone conviction. You make a hullabaloo over a girl getting raped but merely mull over a policeman's death. Am i wrong or insensitive to care about a policeman who was killed in the line of duty as much a rape victim? Why hasn't anyone, including yourself created a separate thread regarding the death of the policeman? And you repeatedly mention that the judicial system has to change? If you really wanted the judicial system to change then you should also be protesting about the policeman's death.
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Just read mk76's post.

Rapes every day? Please tell me which newspaper do you read?

So many innocents under trial? I know our judicial system is pathetic at best but you make it sound as if all 10 out of 10 jail inmates are innocent! Not more than 3~4 jail inmates out of 10 can be technically innocent. Our judicial system is pathetic because it cannot nail the guilty party in 9 out of 10 cases, not because it puts the innocent party behind bars.
 
sid_donnydarko said:
First off. I don't think you understand exactly what i'm trying to convey. Read your own posts again and again. And hopefully you'll realize your lack of direction let alone conviction. You make a hullabaloo over a girl getting raped but merely mull over a policeman's death. Am i wrong or insensitive to care about a policeman who was killed in the line of duty as much a rape victim? Why hasn't anyone, including yourself created a separate thread regarding the death of the policeman? And you repeatedly mention that the judicial system has to change? If you really wanted the judicial system to change then you should also be protesting about the policeman's death.

Rapes every day? Please tell me which newspaper do you read?

So many innocents under trial? I know our judicial system is pathetic at best but you make it sound as if all 10 out of 10 jail inmates are innocent! Not more than 3~4 jail inmates out of 10 can be technically innocent. Our judicial system is pathetic because it cannot nail the guilty party in 9 out of 10 cases, not because it puts the innocent party behind bars.
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Have you read the post just above yours? Mr Tomar has died due to heart attack with no major external injuries.


Sir, Delhi has registered 453 rape cases this year, thats more than 1 rape per day. These figures represents only those cases which are reported, there are no figures for unreported rape cases.
Delhi tops in rape cases among metros - Indian Express

Kindly also have a look here:
Pending Cases and Undertrials | Issues of India
 
honest1 said:
Have you read the post just above yours? Mr Tomar has died due to heart attack with no major external injuries.


Sir, Delhi has registered 453 rape cases this year, thats more than 1 rape per day.
Delhi tops in rape cases among metros - Indian Express

Kindly also have a look here:
Pending Cases and Undertrials | Issues of India
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Nope. I didn't read his post until i had already posted mine. To indicate that i've indefinitely retracted my opinion i've quoted part of my earlier post.

Can't really defend myself from the first link but the second link only reveals how inefficient the current judicial process but a pending undertrial is not indicative of jailed innocents.
 
Why involve kids? At his age, even if he's a year shy of becoming a teenager, his understanding of the whole situation is that "rape is wrong".
 
I think I have seen too much detective movies. I thinks it's all the 'great IIT/IAS' brain which set this up as heart attack.
 
I just read up the whole news yesterday.

Its not just act of gang rape followed by throwing out of bus, but inserting long iron rod in private parts of female so hard that it pierced to intestines & infected it, which is surely done by beast(not human). After that female is thrown out of bus nude & bleeding profusely & more over that no body comes forward to help at that chilling night of Delhi till the time police arrived & called ambulance.

I really felt ashamed of being part of this society where such animals are allowed to live & people who are reluctant to help or even stop by.
Capital Punishment or castration should be the plausible solution for this horrid act IMHO.
 
There are lot of contradictory reports regarding reason of death. We should leave that to the court to decide about it.
 
The girl is being air lifted to Singapore. I feel the reason is more of a law and order thing than lack of medical facilities in the country.
 
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