Filthy India Photos, Chinese Netizen Reactions

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Who says it has suddenly become wrong? Now, there is more awareness regarding this that is why the disscussion

Sure, if its not wrong then maybe objectionable is a better word.

To me it is simply inhumane to just throw away corpses in the river for some belief system, and also a kind of insult to the dead. It also is very unpleasant to see and smell and also is harmful for the apparently sacred river.

Part of the reason for asking WHY it is objectionable is because it needs to be articulated in an unambiguous manner to the ppl that follow this practice. It's THEIR mind that has to be changed.

This leads to the next question of WHY they do it in the first place ?

No, that was not what I intended to convey. With education, a person will have some basic idea about the world and would make the person realize what religion and these customs actually are. These are just society-made provisions for the benefit of the society itself, and not to follow blindly and cause harm to oneself. If a person does not have money for firewood, bury the corpse rather than throwing it away in the holy river just because "religion" preaches so.
The religious spots are the most dirtiest in this country, people have no regard for the environment whatsoever, they just want to convey their prayers in hope of a better future for themselves. With education, atleast people will have have a basic sense of hygiene and how to conduct things. If religion is something in which people really believe, then I reckon the religious spots should not be in the condition they are now. Education brings a certain degree of required awareness so that a person can think logically and make positive decisions for oneself.

Assuming a lack of education is behind this practice then sure, can do what you just described here and give it a few decades to seep in

While I was coming back home, I was thinking about it..

I have more thoughts.. If we were doing something like this does not mean that we did not know if it was right or wrong earlier.. A lot of people like me who object these things would have existed in the past as well. But since we've got means to express our thought are available everywhere we hear these opinions.. otherwise you used to hear these stuff in news papers only when internet was not so available in india.. (would not say popular, because it was there but again due to our corrupt politicians/government it took us ages to get our hands on something which is an ancient technology in the world.)

The article i linked to earlier mentioned it in passing and did not make it the basis for the story. My understanding is that this is common knowledge amongst those that go to the Ganges on a regular basis.

has someone gone to their freaking country & seen them eating HUMAN FETUS the ones which are aborted, ends up in their kitchen.

I see you fell for that hoax aka blood libel. Anyway, what they do in their country is upto them, this is about what happens in our country and what we think about it or what foreigners will think about us

they put the body in the Ganges because the major reason is that they cannot afford it, they are very poor & the PANDAS are very ruthless & do not pity, they even demolished the cremation chamber made by the government where poor people could burn the body for much less because no wood is used, because it was taking away their business.

The bolded bit is interesting as it deals with the WHY. Do ppl agree that they are too poor to cremate their dead ?

In which case can we say there is no religous basis behind these practices other than just poverty ?

 

[SharekhaN]

blr_p, it may be true. The cost of wood for cremations esp in this area would be astronomical. I was glad that the govt had what I had described as a mass burial chambers, so that is thinking in the right direction, however as it seems were destroyed by the wood mafia.

 

[malhotraraul]

The bolded bit is interesting as it deals with the WHY. Do ppl agree that they are too poor to cremate their dead ?

In which case can we say there is no religious basis behind these practices other than just poverty ?

sitting here assuming will not help as the main reason is poverty & also last wish of the dead, when i was small i always heard my DADAJI saying that when i die please put my body into the Ganges,

not that we did the same, but we did cremate his body on the shores of the Ganges & put his ashes in the Ganges.

the UP mafia is very very strong which is also taking over all these places, with countries like NEPAL nearby one gets clear access through.

 

[Mephistopheles]

^Only one long-term solution for poverty - Literacy

 

[malhotraraul]

^Only one long-term solution for poverty - Literacy

i partly agree with this, EDUCATION

 

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I was glad that the govt had what I had described as a mass burial chambers, so that is thinking in the right direction, however as it seems were destroyed by the wood mafia.

Well, so the govt has worked on it but it interfered with the local gangs cashflow. Had the govt persisted and ultimately prevailed those chinese pics might never have seen the light of day.

Things are not always what they may seem

 

[kuld33p]

So making some electric cremation system near these ghats would make sense.. and government needs to do it.. help poor.. provide it for free.. and i sure govt would not have to spend all the money when we have millions poured in mandir masjid's in the form of donation.. why i said govt because people like me or you can't do it.. it has to be done on a big scale.. like with govt.. and once it start not only poor, riches will also consider that option.. now days riches are doing it because there is no option.. and floating the dead body in ganges or any river is not written anywhere in our religion.. and even if it is then anyone who wants to do it would still be able to do it.. but educated people like me and you who thinks about environment and our country's reputation would cremate the body first in the electric cremation system and then leave the ashes in the ganges which is not that harmful..

 

[Arun1]

No doubt I'm disgusted and sad by the pics shown however I don't like the tone of the blogger.Sounds more like Chinese propaganda.The way they've cherry picked just the bad parts and trying to put a bad spin on everything,it was more like they were trying to convince the pissed of younger generation of the chinese population that Communism is way better than what a democracy could provide.

 

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it was more like they were trying to convince the pissed of younger generation of the chinese population that Communism is way better than what a democracy could provide.

Won't matter either way to us as there is no guarantee they will be less nationalistic if they become democratic, is there ?

This is counter intuitive because you think if they become democratic we will get along better, that's true on many fronts but not across the board because a less authoritarian China could be a much more economically and socially dynamic China, while still being as nationalist as an authoritarian China was. There will still be stiff competition, they like us want resources to feed their teeming economy.

 

[Yrus]

Main point is indian people will stay like this till the end of earth. we were filthy to begin with and will stay the same even after other countries started making colonies on other planets in the solar system. we won't change our selfish uncaring and irresponsible attitude towards fellow indians and the country.
look at the streets in a city. people throw garbage outside the overflowing garbage bins. people throw scrap from out of their windows.
look at your colleagues. they smoke and throw ciggies here and there on the road. people spit everywhere. heck no one cares if one piece of paper is thrown on the street since the whole street is filthy to begin with.

nothing can change our mentality. i used to get very angry and felt like punching people who littered in front of me. the so called graduates and engineers, managers etc who get paid in lacs are no better than street urchins when it comes to littering the streets. I'm not generalizing, not everyone does it, but majority do. so the minority who do not litter please don't hate me. :|

What is needed is a very strict military styled rule to curb such nonsense.

No doubt I'm disgusted and sad by the pics shown however I don't like the tone of the blogger.Sounds more like Chinese propaganda.The way they've cherry picked just the bad parts and trying to put a bad spin on everything,it was more like they were trying to convince the pissed of younger generation of the chinese population that Communism is way better than what a democracy could provide.

Democracy is the saddest thing that has happened in India, we are paying the price of having this system by seeing scam after scam, terrorists living off our money and smaller countries having a go at us, and we have wet dreams of becoming a "shoopa power"!

Fact is there is much more "bad" than "good" , and even if its Commie propaganda people will always show your weaknesses and try to bring you down, it depends on our strength and will to eradicate such things and transform the nation.

We have one of the best cultures and values but thanks to our effing system and our people we face such embarrassment.

 

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What is needed is a very strict military styled rule to curb such nonsense.

Dictatorships are very good at hiding their flaws

Just because you do not see them does not mean they do not exist.

Democracy is the saddest thing that has happened in India, we are paying the price of having this system by seeing scam after scam, terrorists living off our money and smaller countries having a go at us, and we have wet dreams of becoming a "shoopa power"!

Yet it's till waaay better than a system where the ppl have no rights

We have one of the best cultures and values but thanks to our effing system and our people we face such embarrassment.

Oh, it's the system ?

I would have sworn it was ppl refusing to fix the problem or interfering in the solution but that's just me.

 

[apextwin146]

^Only one long-term solution for poverty - Literacy

Seriously? You want more educated People so that you exponentially increase the number of prospective candidates for the same Job?
What will happen next? what if there are 50 ppl who have approx same qualifications? How will you decide whom to give the job? What will happen to the others(Hint: Life of Crime)!
Literacy isnt the solution, population control is, 1 child per family should be implemented in India

 

[chiron]

^^ that is a pretty ridiculous logic. How do you explain Kerala being relatively more prosperous though it has one of the highest population densitiy too other than education.

 

[M@crosoft]

i just wanna say one thing ..i am from varanasi and next time i see any foreigner shooting such pics.... i really GONNA KICK HIS/HER A$$ HARD so he/she may fall in that ditch/river and float over it "alive"!

i admit that this might be the dirtiest city in whole of india but i have never seen dead bodies floating on top of the river water....

1 child per family should be implemented in India

i just can't agree more

 

[Mephistopheles]

Seriously? You want more educated People so that you exponentially increase the number of prospective candidates for the same Job?

What will happen next? what if there are 50 ppl who have approx same qualifications? How will you decide whom to give the job? What will happen to the others(Hint: Life of Crime)!

Literacy isnt the solution, population control is, 1 child per family should be implemented in India

Literacy is the solution for this country and I mean it. Literacy will help people understand about population control and why it is important, will educate them about birth control measures etc.

 

[Yrus]

Dictatorships are very good at hiding their flaws

Just because you do not see them does not mean they do not exist.



Yet it's till waaay better than a system where the ppl have no rights

Oh, it's the system ?

I would have sworn it was ppl refusing to fix the problem or interfering in the solution but that's just me.

Dictatorships may hide the problems, but sometimes its not a bad thing, because of these pics we face embarrassment at the hands of some chicoms and goras, National interest and image comes first,

And with so many communities and diversities here there is a lot of vote bank politics going on, why is Afzal Guru not being executed? Why are these practices in Varanasi not being curbed(throwing of dead bodies), because votes of a particular community gets affected

And with our literacy problem people vote looking only at caste/religion etc. without merit, this is detrimental to development,

With extreme poverty here, the poor do not want rights, they need things that help them live like food, shelter, rights cannot fill a hunger stomach :hap5:

Yes, we still achieve progress through democracy, but it is unbearably long, instead have a strict authoritarian rule for say few decades, clean up the mess and then have a gradual transition towards democracy.

 

[apextwin146]

^^ that is a pretty ridiculous logic. How do you explain Kerala being relatively more prosperous though it has one of the highest population densitiy too other than education.

I would not comment about any state as it leads to Flame wars eventually.

Seriously rethink it man, cuz i have seen reports from the Education ministry. If the Population rate dsnt go down then the Education system in india is fcked bigtime. If you read reports and articles you would have realized that India is facing an acute shortage of qualified Teachers on all possible levels. I knw this cuz i have a family member working in B.El.Ed Deptartment of DU directly interacting with UGC.

Forget Colleges do u even know how difficult it is to get admission in a quality school these days?

We all know the contention ratio for each seat in IIMs do i really need to say more?

My question to you is how do think is India gonna create Jobs for its residents in the near future?( Would it be even able to create enough Jobs let alone enough Colleges to educate people.)

What will you do when there are 100 people equally qualified for the same Job? Whom will you choose and who will you kick to the curb!

Do think the SC/ST/OBC Quotas are really helping those people who are in need of it? No! . Most of the ministers,NRIs get those seats by jacks or paying bucket loads! I am sure most of the people who are in need of the education wont even know that such quotas exist. Even if they somehow knw about this they wont have access to primary schools cuz our Govt isnt really enthusiastic about opening schools in village.

 

[6pack]

^ that's life. poor people cant afford to send their children to school when they don't have enough money to eat. so their children end up working from childhood. rich people as usual end up getting more since they have access to all resources through their luck and hard work of course.

no matter how much a person thinks you wont be able to make everyone happy in this world. there will always be something amiss here and there. life is not ideal which we want it to be.

*off to sleep after this lecture. forget it after seeing it.*

 

[Mephistopheles]

^ that's life. poor people cant afford to send their children to school when they don't have enough money to eat. so their children end up working from childhood. rich people as usual end up getting more since they have access to all resources through their luck and hard work of course.

no matter how much a person thinks you wont be able to make everyone happy in this world. there will always be something amiss here and there. life is not ideal which we want it to be.

*off to sleep after this lecture. forget it after seeing it.*

It is absolutely correct that not everyone in this world can be happy, but India has still got a long way to go to achieve an acceptable threshold and conclude nothing more could have been done.

School till the age of 18 should be made free of cost and with some basic books free for those who cannot afford. Literacy rate up = Poverty rate down = Population growth under control. Many of the politicians do not wont people to get educated, have independent thinking and decide for themselves who to vote or who not to.

Dictatorships may hide the problems, but sometimes its not a bad thing, because of these pics we face embarrassment at the hands of some chicoms and goras, National interest and image comes first,

And with so many communities and diversities here there is a lot of vote bank politics going on, why is Afzal Guru not being executed? Why are these practices in Varanasi not being curbed(throwing of dead bodies), because votes of a particular community gets affected

And with our literacy problem people vote looking only at caste/religion etc. without merit, this is detrimental to development,

With extreme poverty here, the poor do not want rights, they need things that help them live like food, shelter, rights cannot fill a hunger stomach :hap5:

Yes, we still achieve progress through democracy, but it is unbearably long, instead have a strict authoritarian rule for say few decades, clean up the mess and then have a gradual transition towards democracy.

Your views are short-term. Colleges and schools can be built, policies can be amended to increase the pay of teachers in this country..teachers are ridiculously under-paid in India and that is the major reason that we have a shortage of teachers. India could amend certain policies to make it a more business-friendly country and ease restrictions imposed on Foreign MNCs to do business in India, which will create jobs in India. There are several other ways too.

Dictatorships may hide the problems, but sometimes its not a bad thing, because of these pics we face embarrassment at the hands of some chicoms and goras, National interest and image comes first,

And with so many communities and diversities here there is a lot of vote bank politics going on, why is Afzal Guru not being executed? Why are these practices in Varanasi not being curbed(throwing of dead bodies), because votes of a particular community gets affected

And with our literacy problem people vote looking only at caste/religion etc. without merit, this is detrimental to development,

With extreme poverty here, the poor do not want rights, they need things that help them live like food, shelter, rights cannot fill a hunger stomach :hap5:

Yes, we still achieve progress through democracy, but it is unbearably long, instead have a strict authoritarian rule for say few decades, clean up the mess and then have a gradual transition towards democracy.

Dictatorship is not plausible for a country like ours, atleast now and it wont ever happen I reckon. Indra Gandhi is an example.

 

[apextwin146]

It is absolutely correct that not everyone in this world can be happy, but India has still got a long way to go to achieve an acceptable threshold and conclude nothing more could have been done.
School till the age of 18 should be made free of cost and with some basic books free for those who cannot afford. Literacy rate up = Poverty rate down = Population growth under control. Many of the politicians do not wont people to get educated, have independent thinking and decide for themselves who to vote or who not to.
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We already pay Education Cess. Do you even know about it? How many schools have been opened up in the remote areas from the money collected from this Tax!
Who is gonna pay for making education free till 18? The govt?Nope! Its gonna come down on us middle class indians as some xyz Tax. So please be realistic about what you say rather farting out the first thing that comes to your mind.
Also how is Litracy, Population & Poverty corelated. Can you provide some data to back this theorem of yours "Literacy rate up = Poverty rate down = Population growth "