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asimh99 said:
I have a friend who is an advocate in consumer court. What are the legal remedies for this?
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None, consumer court handles disputes againsts business, service providers, shops, registered individual or similar entities.
I don't see any merit in pursuing a civil suit either, as it may lead to counterclaims for damages and harassment. Moreover, if any false statements are included in the petition (a tactic some advocates may recommend to exert pressure) the other person may file a countersuit or even a criminal case if the allegations are found to be entirely baseless.
I strongly advise against trusting advocates, police, and politicians, regardless of any personal relationships or connections. Their primary allegiance often lies with their own interests, rather than with justice or fairness.
 
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^in addition, it will cost more than the GPU in question.

Just my two cents:- As someone who has sold GPU's here and bought as well, I would like to say the following, seller reputation is important. GPU is a big ticket item(and as such not a easy item to troubleshoot if things go wrong) and as such be cautious about such purchases insist on certain testing parameters before such a buy, stress testing is an important parameter, and one should get a fair idea about the health of the said card. However its impossible to ascertain why a card fails, I had a 3080ti FE go on me a month back even though I had it in my custody for a year and a half, it was not overclocked, used very little and was cleaned regularly. But when the silicon gods are't with you there is very little you can do. About the daisy chaining, its recommended to use separate connectors, however it shouldn't cause failure, if at all, you can end up with a burnt connector. One thing is a fact here, we don't know what went wrong with the GPU, all else is just guess work and conjecture, the conversation around the rust-it can happen it humid environments, the 3080ti I bought was from a person who was in a coastal area, there was some indications of that on the cooler of the car(slight oxidation on the cooler), but it was very little and I discussed it with the seller. Since I am not from a coastal area, I don't know what environmental factors can come into play, why the rest of the cooler is not in as bad condition is best explained by the seller. GPU temperature are on the higher side but it also depends on other factors like ambient air temp, cooler orientation et al.

I have bought a 3080 FE from a FM here, and it needed to be repasted as well, the memory temps were touching 100 C, there was an issue of pad separation as is a common issue on FE cards. What I am trying to say here is until we know more about what's gone wrong with the card we can't say what happened.

The way the buyer describes it sounds like a short to ground from the card. Most probably from a memory chip, there seems to be no physical damage to explain this, so either the memory or the GPU chip has been reballed and not done properly, or there is a bigger reason to explain the short(I understand the buyer is not near any service centre etc to diagnose the root cause of the issue). Of course if the buyer and seller come to an amicable agreement, it would be a lesson learnt for both.
 
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truegenius said:
None, consumer court handles disputes againsts business, service providers, shops, registered individual or similar entities.
I don't see any merit in pursuing a civil suit either, as it may lead to counterclaims for damages and harassment. Moreover, if any false statements are included in the petition (a tactic some advocates may recommend to exert pressure) the other person may file a countersuit or even a criminal case if the allegations are found to be entirely baseless.
I strongly advise against trusting advocates, police, and politicians, regardless of any personal relationships or connections. Their primary allegiance often lies with their own interests, rather than with justice or fairness.
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No, he said he would make a consumer compliant out of this, and he would get the exparte order in 6 months, and then after execution and execution in consumer court, there is no defence, no object, no anything. Just direct compensation or attachment of property. He is a close friend; he will do this for free.
blackhorn said:
^in addition, it will cost more than the GPU in question.

Just my two cents:- As someone who has sold GPU's here and bought as well, I would like to say the following, seller reputation is important. GPU is a big ticket item(and as such not a easy item to troubleshoot if things go wrong) and as such be cautious about such purchases insist on certain testing parameters before such a buy, stress testing is an important parameter, and one should get a fair idea about the health of the said card. However its impossible to ascertain why a card fails, I had a 3080ti FE go on me a month back even though I had it in my custody for a year and a half, it was not overclocked, used very little and was cleaned regularly. But when the silicon gods are't with you there is very little you can do. About the daisy chaining, its recommended to use separate connectors, however it shouldn't cause failure, if at all, you can end up with a burnt connector. One thing is a fact here, we don't know what went wrong with the GPU, all else is just guess work and conjecture, the conversation around the rust-it can happen it humid environments, the 3080ti I bought was from a person who was in a coastal area, there was some indications of that on the cooler of the car(slight oxidation on the cooler), but it was very little and I discussed it with the seller. Since I am not from a coastal area, I don't know what environmental factors can come into play, why the rest of the cooler is not in as bad condition is best explained by the seller. GPU temperature are on the higher side but it also depends on other factors like ambient air temp, cooler orientation et al.

I have bought a 3080 FE from a FM here, and it needed to be repasted as well, the memory temps were touching 100 C, there was an issue of pad separation as is a common issue on FE cards. What I am trying to say here is until we know more about what's gone wrong with the card we can't say what happened.

The way the buyer describes it sounds like a short to ground from the card. Most probably from a memory chip, there seems to be no physical damage to explain this, so either the memory or the GPU chip has been reballed and not done properly, or there is a bigger reason to explain the short(I understand the buyer is not near any service centre etc to diagnose the root cause of the issue). Of course if the buyer and seller come to an amicable agreement, it would be a lesson learnt for both.
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That is what I am trying to say for components like GPU or Mb if a seller is selling mint and working condition. It should by default have a testing warranty of 1 to 2 days because these will need atleast 10 to 20 hours to test, and even though if one should not ask or look, it should be there.
PunkX 75 said:
@TechnologyHell

I think you should settle, be amicable, and stop pushing for a repair.

It's fair to both parties. You could always repair the GPU later and re-sell with a full disclaimer.
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Even I am trying to settle this amicably But teh seller is not accepting any resolution nor responding anymore.
 
Point 1 If any one says it's mint condition in the Sale Description and has done repasting of item before putting on the sale thread is straight up MISLEADING. Item cannot be in mint condition if it has been opened up and cleaned (Pristine and Mint mean different things). First false claim is this.

TechnologyHell said:
The seal is broken as the card was repasted a while ago
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TechnologyHell said:
1. There has been no repair activities on the card.
2. The warranty label was intact, until last month when I tried repasting the card (though got no major temp improvement, a bare drop of 5 degrees)
3. I don't have any proper proof video, but few images that show the Warranty Void label was really there on the card.
4. I have stress tested the card, for nearly 1.5 hour, after repasting it, and it worked all fine. The in game temps on Valorant were about 8 degrees cooler than what it was before repasting.

For those saying the card is a repaired one, pls have a look yourself at the attached images. And also if a card has been repaired or not, you can't conclude that without having a proper look at the PCB.
For the labels damaged, I claim charge for the same, as isopropyl alcohol isn't something that only "repair person" can own. After repasting, blow dusting, that is the only best thing to be used for cleaning the pcb (after petrol, which is again expensive).
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Point 2 Seller didn't reveal the fact that it was repasted in the Main Sale Post and tried to hide behind the repaste he claimed he did before shipping in the Screenshotted DMs (not sure at this point if he really repasted it the second time). Only after public pressure this guy claims he has repasted it before. Repasting and cleaning in extremely rare cases may dislodge certain resistor and capacitors.

Point 3 Seller has 2 cards as mentioned in sale description with no GPU-Z sceenshots to compare device ID there is no concrete evidence that this is the same card of which the Kombustor Screenshots were shared.

Point 4 Buyer may truly be unlucky with his PSU, it shorted the GPU not cuz of Daisy Chaining but because of awful Gigabyte QC.

This all seems very fitting of the handle of the Seller @TechnologyHell , very satirical unfortunately.

PSA by yours truly for future GPU Deals:
1. Get a GPU-Z screen shot Device IDs are unique and will help you understand if the card was swapped.
2. Don't do stress test unless you are a Youtuber (ik the seller has a silver button but come on y'all know what I mean). Use games that have in-built benchmark tools instead or just play some game. Especially when you know temps are high already.
3. Any testing warranty or deal adjustments should be communicated on the main thread (except for price I think).
4. Opening up GPUs is not a task for normal people very small capacitors and resistors can be dislodged in the process.
 
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Adding @TechnologyHell to my scammer list , no matter the reason, not responding to buyer when you have received the money is a shady , scammer like practice.

Clearly GPU was slowly dying , and he was able to extend the life just enough to go through this scam , having same GPU in multiple quantities is a dead giveaway that this was mined on.

I feel sorry for the buyer as he acted in good faith and got punished for it.

I have a GPU that does the same thing, it runs smoothly for a hour or so and then dies , causing the fans to ramp up and screen to go blank.
 
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PunkX 75 said:
Well, looks like @TechnologyHell has cut his losses and taken off. Makes me really weary of recruits (as patrons) in the marketplace, even more.
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If you check his profile you will see TechnologyHell (Seller) was last seen 48 minutes ago viewing this thread! He is silently reading this thread...

P.S. The seller TechnologyHell even read and posted a reaction on my post. So, I ask you @TechnologyHell why don't you reply to the buyer @asimh99 and come to a amicable solution? It is obvious you are causing him dismay with the GPU not working like it should so why not just refund him the money? I mean seriously in the longer run of things this amount of money will perhaps be spent by you on some poultry thing that you buy. What will remain with you however is the sordid feeling that someone trusted you and you perhaps mislead him knowingly. Maybe the mods will ban you and that will be the end of it but there is still time for both parties to walk away from this respectfully.
 
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Black_Hawk said:
If you check his profile you will see TechnologyHell (Seller) was last seen 48 minutes ago viewing this thread! He is silently reading this thread...

P.S. The seller TechnologyHell even read and posted a reaction on my post. So, I ask you @TechnologyHell why don't you reply to the buyer @asimh99 and come to a amicable solution? It is obvious you are causing him dismay with the GPU not working like it should so why not just refund him the money? I mean seriously in the longer run of things this amount of money will perhaps be spent by you on some poultry thing that you buy. What will remain with you however is the sordid feeling that someone trusted you and you perhaps mislead him knowingly. Maybe the mods will ban you and that will be the end of it but there is still time for both parties to walk away from this respectfully.
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yeah right , atleast return half the amount and take the gpu back , the guy paid you out of goodwill only because of the community and his experience here , why you gotta turn this into another olx man
 
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If it's past the point of expecting any solution from the seller.. Maybe the buyer could try to repair the card by himself.. If there are no local options the there are couple of people I have seen in WhatsApp/Facebook groups who advertise such services..
 
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Just a single and last response to all the members on this platform, I truly believe whatever decision the mods and the community takes, it will be for the betterment of this platform.

The only thing I would like to say back is that I know that I haven't performed any sort of a scam, nor sold a defective / repaired GPU.
The card was in fully working condition, and even before selling out, the repasting, I have performed a full 3+ hour stress test via MSI kombustor, and also used the card to game a few hours after repasting to see how much improvement is there in terms of temps. I've tested it on Valorant, and GTA 5.

To my truth and faith, I clearly state the card was in good and usable condition, despite the poor temps on peak loads. It used to peak around 82 degrees, which is slightly lower than what the customer found on his testbench.
I have been selling on this platform since this year, made several sales, even sold another GPU on this same platform a few months ago. Sold other pc parts, and mostly webcams, great ones, for a really good price. None of the previous customers ever had any issue with me. Not a single one of them. The mods can reverify and cross check with other people I have dealt with. Each one of them were satisfied and happy with the offer I gave them and the deal went great as well.
Now coming to this gpu, it is sad to notice that the card died within 1 day of usage on the customer's hands. I even offered the customer offers, partial refund and I would look after getting it fixed up for him, and also offered an option to get it repaired, doorstep pickup and drop and all repairing expenses on me. As suggested by many on the thread, it seems like the shorting of any one capacitor / similar component, which when replaced, should work fine. But the customer does not agree for it.
It's not that I forced the customer to immediately pay me once he has received it. Nor did I ask the seller to pay me without testing. When it got delivered, I asked him to get it tested up and then let me know hows' it working. I did also mention to keep an eye on the temps while testing it. Though it hit max 82 on my rig, but could vary on other test bench. He tested it, then paid me out.
Next day with the update that the card died, I was still in contact offering him some quick fixes that might fix out the problem, but later it turned out that the card is dead. Still not exactly sure what the problem is, but it is just tripping the PSU down when booting the PC.

I am still willing to help him out and have it fixed up, as from a seller point of view, once I have sold an item to the customer, now it is totally his responsibility. Still I am in touch with him, offering him resolutions, but still the entire community just keeps on saying "He is a scammer and must be banned from everywhere".

If I really was looking to scam out by selling off a damaged card, I would never still be responding him back on his texts, nor would ever look back to this forum either.
For proves, I have my past customers who can vouch for my genuinity, even when a defective item was delivered to a customer (twice in my entire career), I immediately got it replaced at no extra charges, and later in the future, the customers did inform me back about how well the items were working. I have my past customers from Zoukart, JDS Tech, Jey's Computers, and few on TechEnclave as well. Even the admins of Zoukart and Jey's group know me personally and have been dealing with me for a good time by now. I have sold components from my personal PC, the items that are discarded from offices, many parts from the same gaming cafe at my locality, and also parts from my friends, been selling them for a really good time, and never had any, not a single complain nor issues from their end.

Lastly, I leave the decision on the mods, what they decide for me, I accept it.
 
IMO the buyer should accept the seller's offer to have the GPU repaired at the seller's expense, including shipping costs both ways.

If the GPU repair is successful, that's ideal. However, there might be concerns about longevity, so it would be reasonable for the seller to offer a one-month warranty.

If the repair is unsuccessful, the seller should provide a refund of at least 50% of the amount as a goodwill gesture. The buyer can take this as a learning experience to be more cautious in future transactions involving OOW items, ensuring that all testing warranty & other details are clarified upfront.
 
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Crazy_Eddy said:
Send @TechnologyHell's details, will add him to the blacklist.
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I know I am in the minority here, but I don't believe it's fair to ban/blacklist the seller in this case.

Yes, the seller did mislead by claiming the card is in mint condition whereas it has been repasted twice within a month and stickers are worn off etc etc...
But he did deliver a fully working product as he claimed to the buyer.
Yes, the GPU died the very next day in buyers' hands, but No Testing Warranty was discussed or promised between buyer and seller.
If the GPU was purchased from a local store and the same thing would have happened, I am sure the shopkeeper would just put all the blame on the buyer and wouldn't move a muscle. But in this case, the seller is ready to get the GPU repaired, at his own expense, even in/out shipping is on him.

The buyer cannot or hasn't yet proved that:
The GPU is repaired.
The GPU is mined on.

If this case was in court, no judge would decide in favor of the buyer due to the sole reason that no testing warranty was on the table and the item was delivered as working.

I think the buyer should accept the seller's offer and try to work things out with him. If the GPU is repaired successfully, the seller can offer some testing warranty or some partial refund as a gesture of goodwill. And if it can't be repaired, then the loss can be split.

But putting this solely on the seller is unfair, according to me, the rest is upto mods, buyer and seller.

Just my two cents.
 
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I have been a member since 2007 or so. These kind of situations are scary. Even though I browse through these sections atleast once in a month. I don't do much buying. I even got quite a few things to sell too and recently took pics of it but this kind of situations deter me. Hopefully both parties will come to a amicable solution.

I think seller should pay back 75% and take back the card and repair it. Buyer should ship it back in his own expense. If it is working after repair and the seller is selling it again on this forum, Current buyer should be compensated more other than courier charges. Current buyer can take it again for a discount and can be given first preference. This is considering the buyer not able to use it even for a single day and seller used it for a good amount of its lifespan. Buyer made the payment as soon as he received the card. If he had not seller would have been in his situation.

This is just my view. I didn't understand some of the technicalities discussed so I could be wrong in my opinion.
 
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