31-40k I am in Dilemma! Should I upgrade my Present PC to AMD AM4 or AM5 or Intel LGA 1700 chipsets? Budget is limited to 40k
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YeAhx
Forerunner
This TPM fiasco was such a mess and for many still is but isn't "Azure server" related to Microsoft Azure service which has nothing to do with TPM? Also if I remember correctly AMD Chipset driver had some driver related to AMDfTPM which might have helped (or caused problem if not installed fresh).
Processors don't really "age" per se but as it was one of the AMD forum moderator who said this they might be talking about limited support for the motherboard chipset as it aged with less and less bug fixes being committed further in its life span. Whatever it was you are now looking to upgrade your PC so I shall leave it at that and forget about it.
One strong argument for upgrading to higher end motherboard chipset is definitely the curve optimiser so I see your point. Used to be the overclock-ability but processors these days come tightly clocked with ability to overclock on the fly so the benefit potential is gone. You should definitely go for newer gen if the cost is coming out to be same. If I recall correctly Ryzen 7600 is about same as 5700X3D is terms of performance and with DDR5 prices coming down to affordable range yeah that's the right call.
bssunilreddy
Luminary
Yes the cost is coming as same when comparing AM4 (CPU+Mobo+RAM) Vs. AM5 (CPU+Mobo+RAM) like 37k Vs. 39k. So thought why not go with the newer chipset than going with older one and again complain of not getting updates in the future.
k660
Forerunner
go for the newer stuff, i had thought of this for a while, i was going through similar phase few months ago. now i am glad that i chose newer system over 5000 series ones.
- 5000 series doesnt have igpu pain when doing diagnosis or if gpu dies
( i cant emphasize enough how many times igpu of my old cpu saved/helped me, and with just igpu it was enough to do all the Desktop processes except heavy video editing. and it was i5-6500. i took its igpu as reference point and turns out new igpus are way stronger even with few cores)
- mobo will be easily available compared to old ones that's presuming ur going to use it for 3.5yrs+
( yes my mobo had died and it was hard n expensive to get similar/good mobo it lasted me 8.06 yrs )
- ddr4 rams i kind of dont like em, ddr5 sticks have built in controller and stuff more stability relatively ddr4 though i would recommed going with G.skill. for some reason they are least pain in butt when mixing n matching different types of brands and they just seem to work. fk u corsair ram sticks.
( DDR5 RAM does have a built-in error-correcting mechanism (on-die ECC) for small, internal errors.
ECC RAM (like those used in servers and workstations) has full ECC functionality, which is more robust for data integrity and error correction across the entire memory system.
Not all DDR5 RAM sticks are ECC, and most consumer DDR5 sticks are non-ECC, even though they have the on-die error-correction. )
- during the period i was looking for parts, everyone i asked majority like 8-8.5 out of em all had opinion of its not worth it go for 5000 series cpus/mobo/ram.
(and the people i am referring here are people like you guys)
- worried about ddr5 ram + am5 = equals slow boot up time to logging in the windows (except for asrock)? well i would say dont be. even in worst case scenario in that period you can fill up 2-3 bottles of 1L water each for ones game/working session. so i never felt that slow boot up time.... in a long long time (and this is coming from the person who uses windows on HDD on dual boot, point being it adds up to load times )
bssunilreddy
Luminary
k660
Forerunner
just a thought in case you are looking for wiggle room temporary one you can get away with 16gb ram for a while.Thinking of getting these because my budget is strictly under 40k and want matx mobo with wifi.
bssunilreddy
Luminary
YeAhx
Forerunner
A quick google search told me that air cooler has fitting issues. For a little more you can get Deepcool Gammaxx AG400 Plus @2k or if you are okay with slight downgrade you can get Ant Esports ICE-C612 V2 ARGB @1.3k.Thinking of getting these because my budget is strictly under 40k and want matx mobo with wifi.
Emperor
Juggernaut
How if this time Try your luck with Intel?Thinking of getting these because my budget is strictly under 40k and want matx mobo with wifi.
bssunilreddy
Luminary
No, Don't wanna go this way. If I buy 12400 then I won't have any upgrade path as I again need to buy new Mobo and processor if I need to upgrade.
AM5 I think will stay and be supported for another 4-5 years. See even new AM4 processors were released last month.
Emperor
Juggernaut
bssunilreddy
Luminary
Intel 12th gen is good while 13th gen & 14th gen has instability issues and now the Intel 15 th gen which is Intel Core Ultra is never suggested here or even in Digit & Reddit forums. Only AM4 or AM5.
Tracer_Bullet
Herald
Gigabyte B650m Ds3h - rock stable. Not even 1 issue.
Just buy 7600 or similar and you will atleast have upgrade path to 9800x3d which probably isn't too power hungry, esp for gaming, and any decent motherboard should do.
bssunilreddy
Luminary
But I want wifi/bt Mobo. Yes, Gigabyte B650M-DS3H is 9.4k also has 6+2+1 Digital VRM Design with 60A Smart Power Stage.
So I was thinking about Gigabyte B650M Gaming X AX is 14.8k also has 6+2+1 Digital VRM Design with 60A Smart Power Stage.
Both boards are same as regards to power stages & VRM design but is priced some 5k more than one another. Only MSI comes close to Gigabyte in terms of performance but MSI does not have any board as similarly priced like Gigabyte non wifi/bt board. MSI is giving only 2 Ram slots for anything under 10k.
Tracer_Bullet
Herald
I use usb wifi, good enough, motherboard wifi might be better, dunno.
For VRM - check tested data from hardware unboxed. Some of boards units have small name changes, like an extra letter and come with worse VRM. So double check that.
I dunno whats best option today, just said that i bought this and its perfectly stable unlike what he claims.
Intel is a dead option right now unless its very cheap and only older stable ones. That said, i haven't heard anything new, so maybe intel has solved issues on 13/14 series ? Dunno. But still no point unless its very cheap.
bssunilreddy
Luminary
Yes I have checked all B650 boards using hardware unboxed and other sites for B650 boards that comes under my budget. So I am also using ethernet cable only right now before I used to use wifi/bt with AM4 ATX Asrock board. I have a blutooth Headset which now cannot be used with my present board only with kids laptop which she only uses. This is why I am thinking of B650M wifi board under 10k and which has 4 Ram slots but there are none. So either B650M DS3H or Gaming X AX are the only options left.
BTW are there any Pcie wifi/bt cards/adapters under 2k so that I can go with below 10k board now and buy the adapter.
Tracer_Bullet
Herald
I have heard that using 4 ram sticks is not as stable in B650, esp with XMP/EXPO. so 4 on motherboard is fine, but probably stick to 2 ram sticks.
I don't use bluetooth.
wifi adapters i have used for many years, all of them have lasted well and work well.
TP link works well and has many options. Even the small nano 500 Rs adapter works well enough if nearby.
Currently i am using Tl-Wn722N. Bought this in 2015! Its still working. And since its so old, linux drivers work great too.
They do update hardware but keep name same, so what we buy today will have different chip.
And better options are available - better antenna/faster.
Only once i did have issue on Windows. Somehow update broke the drivers and nothing worked, even uninstall/reinstall. On Linux it ran fine but not in windows.
Windows reinstall fixed it.
So probably best to install drivers from TPLink and then disable windows driver update. I also blacklist my gpu from driver updates, windows has messed that up too in past.
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Don't know about wifi+bluetooth but there seems to be many options from TP links.
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bssunilreddy
Luminary
Can you suggest some TP Link wifi/by pcie adapter for me? Under 2k.I have heard that using 4 ram sticks is not as stable in B650, esp with XMP/EXPO. so 4 on motherboard is fine, but probably stick to 2 ram sticks.
I don't use bluetooth.
wifi adapters i have used for many years, all of them have lasted well and work well.
TP link works well and has many options. Even the small nano 500 Rs adapter works well enough if nearby.
Currently i am using Tl-Wn722N. Bought this in 2015! Its still working. And since its so old, linux drivers work great too.
They do update hardware but keep name same, so what we buy today will have different chip.
And better options are available - better antenna/faster.
Only once i did have issue on Windows. Somehow update broke the drivers and nothing worked, even uninstall/reinstall. On Linux it ran fine but not in windows.
Windows reinstall fixed it.
So probably best to install drivers from TPLink and then disable windows driver update. I also blacklist my gpu from driver updates, windows has messed that up too in past.
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Find out how to prevent Windows or users from installing device drivers for selected hardware devices on PCs running Vista or newer versions of Windows.Manage Device Installation with Group Policy
Find out how to manage Device Installation Restrictions with Group Policy.learn.microsoft.com
Don't know about wifi+bluetooth but there seems to be many options from TP links.
Tracer_Bullet
Herald
I gave model no of what i am using. If router is not in same room, go for one with antennas.
I have never had any issue with tp link wifi devices, so i have always bought them. 3+ since 10 years or so and all are working still.
So i haven't bought any new ones yet.
That one is less than 1k i think. Probably closer to 500.
Better options, that i would probably buy today. But i have not seen everything and these dont have bluetooth, Go as per budget and internet speed.
If router is nearby, then you can go with the tiny ones too, they take very little space and dont stick out from usb port.
I use a usb extension cable and just keep it out of view behind monitor.
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