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I voted Yes, I bought EP 50 from him and that was my first deal in TE and it went smooth. Packaging was nice, Shipping was fast(Got it within 3days), Contacting him was hassle free. :clap:
 
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Renegade said:
Please define 'clean'.

Then please elaborate on how your money is going to make the forum 'clean'.

Have you bought something from him on TE?

Have you had to suffer at his hands?

Was the one negative feedback in Amarbir's profile given by you?

If your answer to any of those questions is NO then you are a hypocritical wiseass and you do not have the right to ask something so preposterous.

If it is YES for all three, then I suggest that you ask others to follow in your footsteps.
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So even after numerous and the maximum number of complaints against Amarbir, TE staff wants more people to buy from him, maybe suffer like others, just so that the itrust can be perfected???
 
avi said:
I think only people who have dealt with him should vote.
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Well, that's right thing said.

Actually the fact is he wont run away with our money, in that case TE itself will handle him, but after reading some posts and other threads it looks like members can't accept his shipping time when they need it urgently.

In my case it was smooth. As said above, I voted Yes for that.
 
m-jeri said:
As someone said, he brings deals and stuff to forums. so keep him. I for one ignore him.

Although i dont support that whole heatedly. He just brings earphones nowadays. and earphone buyers sing praises.

They NEED him. and that's the truth. period.
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I think he said last year that he's going to deal in audio products only and nothing else. Most dealers here are selling audio products only anyway. The rest who sell computer stuff dont even bother replying to pm's (most of them) or are AWOL.
 
madnav said:
i have voted NO by mistake. (i assumed thread title to be ' Do you want him out of here?' :P)

I do not want him out.
He is good at getting deals and maintaining prices in control.
Competition is always in best favour of the customers.
All i oppose is mode of conduct. f he can take this as a feedback then i would request him to assign PR to deal with these issues. It comes down to business at the end of the day and th matter of the fact is that most people still buy from him regardless of rants.
I just wish he could make this work; maybe next decade.

@mods
please change my vote to Yes
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Amarbir is one gigantic ass of a dealer. He takes his own sweet time and dilly-dallies all the orders and ships them only when he wants to or when he can, After playing with Johny, and Poppy and bah forgot the other names that were used as the reason for the delay in shipping. Very often he goes into the hmm how do i put this ? lets just say.. that time of the month where we can expect delays ranging from 7-20 days.

Hes got way too many issues and is unwilling to change. He makes you wana pull out the renaming hair that you have and eat them. Dealing with him is like dealing with a whiny-b**chy lady going through that time of the month... sigh, even dealing with such women can sometimes be easier.

After all that I have said Im OK with him being a dealer here at TE. Mods dont wana kick him out is cause hes an honest dealer. After all that I have said I respect the man for this and only this. His honestly and nothing else. I have bought stuff from him once or twice before the rating system was introduced. Experience was mixed.
Competition is always a blessing in disguise.

People on the forum who buy and sell from the dealers or from other members are not kids. They dont need to be spoon fed as to whom to buy from and whom to avoid. Everything is posted in the open. Use your head and your own discretion.

I agree with Maddy.
 
6pack said:
I think he said last year that he's going to deal in audio products only and nothing else. Most dealers here are selling audio products only anyway. The rest who sell computer stuff dont even bother replying to pm's (most of them) or are AWOL.
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That explains the less amount of "feedback" threads. :S
 
Headphone deals are available from pristine note, Amarbir is too moody and whimsical to be a dealer, he is banned in the other forum anyway. He has a mind of his own and is famous for false promises, one guy called me from south india in 2008 trying to sort out an issue that he had with amarbir :eek: i could not believe it. i dont remember the name of the person/user id etc been more than 2 years now. I've never dealt with Amarbir 'coz i know his nature and don't expect my seller to have freewill. He thinks he can make promises here/be grand daddy of all dealers and be a totally different person on the phone (i've never called him) but i know people who have, he doesnot know we can share views/feedback about anything, these things don't work in the long run. I am sure the local chandigarh members who are in his favour because he must have sold them something at a very discounted price :lol:
 
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strategy said:
^^ In my book, Work is what counts, not the words.
Yeah i know amarbir sounds rude sometimes but thats how he is. I know he does not mean it.
Some are not very good with words, some are.

IF Lynx was a big Firm making millions every month i would have agreed .
But as it is, its run by one person and Lynx is a small company.
if he says 5 days . it smeant to me taken as 5 +/- 20%.

hell even Klipsch takes double the time they promise to replace a product (personal experience )
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Not really fair to customers right. On the same pretext if we as customers also start to behave rude and crude with vendors would it make sense. If he has a bad mouth (verbal and textual) to bad, he has to mend his unprofessional modus operandi, specially with online clients else cease and only function via brick-and-mortar. Size of a firm does not matter in today's day and Iage. It can not be used as justification for delayed deals and obnoxious behavior. No one cares two hoots what is happening at the back-end of a factory/firm -- nor can it be used to garner brownie points to negate bad business practices or functional deltas. If you feel Klipsch is also doing bad service then do not tender them for service OR advice others to exercise the same. This is what most of us are trying here.
strategy said:
lol, its up to you call it what you want.

But i have spent the last 5 years in NCR to know that people are different.

I have friends who sound like they want to kill you when they are actually praising you.
Haryana's tone is like that. I cant do anything about that.

PS: and i liked your commend cause i am highly amused by it :)
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I have spent 10+ years in NCR and work out of Gurgaon. I have not met/handled people like you are collaborating Amarbir with. What has Haryana's tone got to do with customer service. Heck, Gurgaon is one of North India's largest delivery certainly for services and software likewise. Hardly see the 'tone' causing issues here...! Amarbir is not our friend nor are we his --- so it basically boils down to the way business is conducted and communication is rendered.

You do know Amarbir has a habit to call up people on their cell-phones and then whine be rude and bi$$$ other forum members/dealers. He had the audacity to call me once at my office, which is quite pi$$ing off. If you think benevolent for him, advice him to go to Flipkart.com and buy the first book which the search engine throws up for 'Customer Service'. Help him.
 
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strategy said:
lol, its up to you call it what you want.

But i have spent the last 5 years in NCR to know that people are different.

I have friends who sound like they want to kill you when they are actually praising you.
Haryana's tone is like that. I cant do anything about that.

PS: and i liked your commend cause i am highly amused by it :)
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I live in NCR for more than 8 years and I am from Haryana.As per my opinion, customer service and talking to customer is something different and nothing to do with your tone.
 
local chandigarh members who are in his favour because he must have sold them something at a very discounted price
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I really feel disgusted at the extent of your obnoxious thinking/statement, maybe its okay and normal for you to support someone if they did a favor for you etc. deliberately even if you knew they were wrong but there are some who aren't like you :|
 
^ y do u feel disgusted at that , there r no free meals my dear friend,

its very much possible though i cant say for sure but something's have to be done for someone to expect some favours when need be

he must have 2-3 TE member like this to speak some thing good in his behalf by doing such favours
 
let's not get at each other.
the subject is amarbir and the motive is buyer safety.

conspiracies will lead us nowhere at the moment.

and no, by 'buyer safety' i did not concern whether he will run with buyer's money.
It is about whether that money will be blocked at amarbir's end (and i mean lynx..no pun intended :P) without a reason while buyer could have made a better decision if amarbir didn't oversell.
 
IMHO there is no point discussing it, in the other thread when i mentioned about this, the language used by 1 of the mods is at best disappointing. It feels like that the 5 years that i spent in this forum went down the drain.

My POV : He won't be taken down, mods will keep on repeating about iTrader no matter what happens.

(It's my POV and i am not asking anyone to agree with it and i am sure people would have had good deals with Amarbir.)
 
Like eBay there should be some guidelines which would govern the dealers as to insure a certain level of consistency in service.

There should be a predefined universal period of time within which a dealer has to make sure he ships the product a member bought from him on TE after receiving cleared payment for the same. If a dealer fails to follow such guidelines more than a predefined number of times, then that dealer should be banned from trading on TE for a predefined period of time following which he may choose to resume trading on TE. Also if the dealer doesn't seem to improve he could be barred from trading for a longer period of time and eventually if such behavior continues he should be barred from trading on TE permanently.

The itrust also need to be improved and I reckon something is being done about it. People need to realize the power of itrust ratings and also not to give +ve ratings blindly and then later rant about how the deal didn't go through as expected etc.

Also, as some of the staff members have said it already members shouldn't be afraid of "revenge ratings" as they will be taken care of if reported by them.
 
ultra vires said:
IMHO there is no point discussing it, in the other thread when i mentioned about this, the language used by 1 of the mods is at best disappointing. It feels like that the 5 years that i spent in this forum went down the drain.

My POV : He won't be taken down, mods will keep on repeating about iTrader no matter what happens.

(It's my POV and i am not asking anyone to agree with it and i am sure people would have had good deals with Amarbir.)
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completely understand your POV

but can not expect mods to be one sided. They have to follow a protocol.

It will be hypocritical of them from POV of dealers if they over-rule iTrader.

All i can do is request members who have suffered to leave a negative feedback.

iTrader guidelines mention to leave feedback withing some time frame after deal but if you can refer to your issue by pin pointing threads/posts and relating dealer thread then it should still be possible to leave a negative feedback on request to mods (as it requires the thread to be opened again).

I'm sure mods are more concerned about members but they are entitled to follow protocols.

actions have consequences and extreme actions have extreme consequences. Members will appreciate the action but what matters is the motive; and it is just not right motive to kick someone out for the sake of democracy.

It will only lead other dealers into feeling insecure about their existence on the forum. Result would be lowered dealer count leading to monopoly.

Dealers wont suffer, members will.

Best we can do is avoid dealing and leaving proper iTrader be it any dealer/member.

What mods can do is make it mandatory for dealers to not call and try to justify why he doesnt deserve -ve rating on a personal contact number without permission.
 
Folks.. Just avoid him already.

He is here to stay. Nothing to do with mods or who ever. They are very fair when saying that itrust has to be considered. and they are correct.

People wait months, he will curse them and still when the item comes they will post a show off and say thanks whatever and give a positive.

who is to blame? the mods?.

The dealer swoops in with hyped/hard to get/niche items, execute GO's and get itrade feedbacks. Bottom line, get stuff when he is GO - ing. no pun intended.

There will be lot of supporters. He gives damn good price, brings lot of stuff, stock weird stuff, Stock lot of earphones,

gives free stuff to be impression-ed, keeps price in check by saying weird non coherent stuff. why wouldn't people support him?.

You folks have no idea how many PM's i received saying that he needs to be here, not coz he is a great guy/dealer, he brings deals.
 
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