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Chaos said:
^^What hifi is something i don't trust at all :rofl:. Take reviews from what hifi with a pinch of salt. They give the highest ratings to the brands that pay them for the biggest ads :P.
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That was a rather sensational comment Chaos, don't you think? No offence man but if you're against any specific publication then provide an authentic reason rather than: "They give the highest ratings to the brands that pay them for the biggest ads". How would you know? Have you worked with their management and found supporting directives? Or have do they trash the brands you've liked and upped those that's weren't that good?

Secondly, using ones ears for differentiating between companies may not be as simple as you advise. My mother may want to buy the best screen in the market but she won't, for the life of her, be able to differentiate the subtleties such as response time in one screen from another. Simply because she doesn't know what to look out for. Telling her "mom, use your eyes!" would be an utterly lame statement that wouldn't help her much. Rather, if I told her something like "mom, check if you find any sort of trailing of images on the screen," - that would be more helpful.

So, coming from a member who holds you in high regard, try to help out the guy instead of baselessly trashing a magazine, or asking him to use his ears.

Incidentally, I happen to know the what-hifi guys and I work in the media (first CHIP, now TOI) and I'd like to have you know that there's no correlation between ads and ratings regardless of how much ever you'd like to believe that there is.

In other words, we don't get paid to lick arse.

Peace out.
 
I have been to shops today,
I went to a second hand amp seller, he has got
Denon PMA 520 for Rs. 5,250/-
Technics
SUZ 700 for Rs. 3500/-
SUV 3 for Rs. 4,500/-

Pioneer A401 for Rs. 4,250/-
NAD 312 for Rs. 3,500/-

all working condition. are they worth the buy? any sepecific good model?

I have been to other shop to see wharfedale Diamond 9.1, but he had only 9.0 and 9.2, checked them both 9.2 is better than 9.0, I feel.
He showed me a Samson Studio Monitors, Resolv series, 40A and 50A.
These are better than Diamond 9.2. They have got inbuilt amps. Price around 13k and 22k respectively. is it a worth buy??
Is it a good alternative to Diamond 9.1 + amp ?
Shop guy told me that nowadays people started buying studio monitors for home use.
Lows were very clear in the studio monitors.
:huh: :huh: :huh:
 
^ Don't buy second hand, you'll end up paying more on service and be listening to the service centre guys voice more than moozik :P

@ tracer - I completely agree with you ! What Hi-Fi ain't all that bad, but they set very high standards, which is expected from a mag catering to audiophiles ;)
 
^^ What hi fi is one of the best magazines and their reviews must be good. I frankly don't think that they will be writing about products just because they for the ads. We can take them as guide then decide for our own with our own ears. (what they recommend must suit for most of our ears).

Even in wharfedale case also, they recommend it. in fact it won awards from them. This year a new speaker is recommended by them in this catogory, but they never tell that wharfedale is worst.
 
tracerbullet said:
That was a rather sensational comment Chaos, don't you think? No offence man but if you're against any specific publication then provide an authentic reason rather than: "They give the highest ratings to the brands that pay them for the biggest ads". How would you know? Have you worked with their management and found supporting directives? Or have do they trash the brands you've liked and upped those that's weren't that good?

Secondly, using ones ears for differentiating between companies may not be as simple as you advise. My mother may want to buy the best screen in the market but she won't, for the life of her, be able to differentiate the subtleties such as response time in one screen from another. Simply because she doesn't know what to look out for. Telling her "mom, use your eyes!" would be an utterly lame statement that wouldn't help her much. Rather, if I told her something like "mom, check if you find any sort of trailing of images on the screen," - that would be more helpful.

So, coming from a member who holds you in high regard, try to help out the guy instead of baselessly trashing a magazine, or asking him to use his ears.

Incidentally, I happen to know the what-hifi guys and I work in the media (first CHIP, now TOI) and I'd like to have you know that there's no correlation between ads and ratings regardless of how much ever you'd like to believe that there is.

In other words, we don't get paid to lick arse.

Peace out.
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Well i absolutely don't agree with some of their ratings... I purchased their first issue when it released and was absolutely disappointed. Well first of all 60% of the mag was just ads... this inspite of pricing the mag at 100 bucks. On top of that atleast to my eyes I found a direct correllation between the big full page ads and the products that got the "best of" awards. I thought I was the only one, but I got the same feedback from quite a few friends of mine who seemed to say the same... one of them is a TE member :P.

Secondly, about using the ears argument, maybe it doesn't hold for video but for audio, hell its absolutely true and I stand by my argument. Audio is absolutely subjective... one man's food is another man's poison. Go ask anyone in the audio world and they'd say the same damn thing cos you'd wanna listen to exactly what you like and not what some 3rd party likes.

I distinctly remember one "review" of what hifi in which they compared a rotel, a nad and a marantz integrateds. Whats the outcome? rotel gets 5 stars, marantz gets 4 stars and nad gets 3 stars. What do I see on the next page? A huge Rotel ad :P. Does this review agree with any other respected mag/website in the world? A big NO. Does it agree to my ears - hell NO. I almost puked when I heard the marantz pm7001 the other day... sounded so horribly dull with no bass control whatever. I haven't heard that particular rotel model integrated, but definitely have heard their older stuff and they are ridiculously bright. This is just one example... if I dig thru a few more issues, I'd probably find some more! Needless to say that was my first and last issue of What Hifi.
 
^^@gmano: Those samsons are strictly average... nothing special. If you want studio monitors, look at the Tannoy Reveal series. Way way better stuff.
 
^^Studio monitors are supposed to be extremely accurate and not necessarily musical. If you feed it a poor recording, it will sound... poor :P. If the samsons sound better to you than the wharfedales, better get the samsons. Its finally you who's gonna be listening so its best you decide ;).
 
^^ But the bass is less in samsun studio monitors. I want a musical one, thats why I asked, for a layman what will be the best choice?
More over I am able to compare them only with Diamond 9.0 and 9.2 but not with 9.1, I am wondering how 9.1 will sound. I noticed lot difference between 9.0 and 9.2. so 9.1 must also be different from these.
 
gmano said:
@Anish, what is your opinion about studio monitors?
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The problem with studio monitors is that they are too sharp. Sound very lean sometimes, excellent dynamics, but you'll miss the warmth.

@ Chaos - You probably didn't like the PM7001 cause of its laid back nature. But the 4001 is better, but still doesn't have the dynamics and contrast, but again its a sub-20k.

You might wanna listen to the Cambridge Audio Azur 540, but that's supposedly very very bright, heh.
 
Guys, I wrote to Mr. Shyam Bajaj of Norge Audio, as the Norge amps are not available in Chennai. His reply was, they do not have a dealer in chennai, but they courier it all over India.
I have asked him for his suggestion for the Amp here is what is his reply

dear mano,the ideal amp. for your wharfedale speakers would be our norge 2060 amp..price to you will be rs.7200// still better would be our norge md speakers md. 80 bookshelf spkrs...much better than the wharfdales as the driver is a 71/2 " and a i inch soft dome tweeter. please read the review in the april av max issue. its a great review.the price is only rs.9500/- the drivers are imported from denmark, a high end speaker manufacturer.in the review it scores 9 out of ten value for money.anyway the choice is yours. above all we give a warranty of 1 year
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It sounds interesting to me, can you guys tell about Norge speakers? can I go for them.
Frankly speeking, I got interested in this speakers now (wharfedale 9.1 is not available in chennai, I made a hunt. Dealers are not much interested to promote them, I think its not so costly, so their margins will be less. They prefer to sell high end speakers)
 
^ Just go with the Norge amp + Wharfedales.

Norge speakers are utter crap, I haven't heard the danish stuff he's speaking about personally, but I'm pretty much convinced that they wont even come close to a wharfedale.
 
Get wharfedales + norge amp. I think the drivers he's referring to are Vifa. Good drivers but nothing extraordinary. Plus the drivers themselves don't make speakers. That review in layman's terms means the speakers suck :P.
 
I wrote to designer audio this is what I got in reply

Dear Mano,

Promusicals (our ONLY authorised dealer for Wharfedale in Chennai) is correct. Presently, Diamond 9.1 is out of stock. But our new consignment is arriving around April 27 which consists of Diamond 9.1. But again, most of them are booked. Pls let me know which color you want? Black or Cherry?

Diamond 9.1 (pair) = 12000/-

Attached find price list of entire Wharfedale product range.
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