The Aam Admi Party

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To all BJP fans: Calm down and maybe try to separate BJP propaganda from facts. Typical BJP spokespersons have been basing their entire tirades against the AAP on frivolous, and plainly untrue statements.

Let me mentione a few key ones:

1. AAP wants to give kashmir away/ Wants a referendum on it's inclusion or exclusion from India/ Is Anti India.
2. AAP is being anti-business. Lets be patient when we label anti-crony capitalist policies as anti market. Crony capitalists are as bad as leftists, probably worse. Further, AAP has very clear view on promoting business through fewer, simpler regulations and transparent functioning of the licensing / clearances for business.
3. AAP is populist in subsidising the power and water bills:

a: The powers subsidies are just a short term measure.
b: Even for the short term, the subsidies are netted off against the recievables from discoms to the tune of Rs. 4500 odd crores which the discoms have not beeen paying for years. This implies there is zero cash impact on the govt. exchequer. Further, once the CAG audit is one. Chances are that once the CAG submits its' findings, the path might be clear for similar audits nationally, and for substantial revision in power bills without any government burden.

The decision to cut tarrifs is certainly not atbitrary. They've researched, and come to the conclusion that we're being lied to on costs, and on losses shown by discoms. Discoms are supposed to act as brokers but not they're directly profiting on the price of the power by showing losses (transferring profits to group firms).

4: The water bill subsidy may be bit of a stress on govt. finances, but huge cost savings can be done within the DJB, which could help sustain the DJB without stressing the govt again. In the last year, the DJP was profitable anyways, and is sitting on profits.
 
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^ I hate reservations too - I missed out on a free seat in Med School after my 12th where as a friend of mine who got a couple of thousand ranks below me got a free seat 'cos he was a SC/ST (and this guy was from a well off family who could actually afford a paid seat as well).

Every f**king time someone undeserving reaps the benefit of reservations, I feel like killing all these politicians... freaking bastards! :mad:
 
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^ Correct. While it would be unfair to call all forms of affirmative action "regressive", any reservation solely based on caste/religion is. Its important that AAP sets a trend here, even if it's at the cost of losing opportunistic votes. Thats how you stand apart.
 
Are there Congress bots on this thread? What I find funny is anyone making Anti-AAP comments is being labelled as BJP supporter. ;) Everyone is going to point out the hypocritical ways of AAP, even an "aam" aadmi.

I am personally cynical about AAP plans. Thing like - insistence on Congress' corruption, not forming government with "corrupt" party's support, free water, electricity etc. Specially, when they don't really have a concrete plan.
Case in point, the "water" promise. They promised 700 lts of water to each family. Then while forming the government, they sent letters to BJP and Congress - asking (point 7) "There is 220 litres of water available for every person daily. Where is it?." Its like me making a point and asking others for proof. "I know I am correct, but you tell me where's the proof?"
That all said, I don't get the negativity against them. Yes, they are idealists who don't have proper plans. Yes, they are not as smart as AAP supporters give them credit for (ex. meters not being available at poor locations ). Give them a chance. It can't be as bad as the 10yrs of gross mismanagement under Congress. They are hypocritical in their approach and dug themselves a hole by joining with Congress (fanning the AAP is Congress rhetoric). Still they should be judged on their performance a year after, even if it means they go against what they actually "promised" ( one can hope about cases against congress which are far fetched now).
 
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sharktale1212 said:
Are there Congress bots on this thread? What I find funny is anyone making Anti-AAP comments is being labelled as BJP supporter. ;) Everyone is going to point out the hypocritical ways of AAP, even an "aam" aadmi.
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Oh let me see, one of the prime reasons being that they are the only party that's actually TRYING to tackle the system established by BJP/Con, and paid BJP trolls online have been very butthurt and probably the only people going after well intentioned people.

Its one thing to criticise, but when you call your comment Anti-someparty, your comment is automatically construed as pro-someotherparty. A person with genuine criticisms will probably reason instead of using the same rhetoric as the political opponent.

For example one of the things you yourself claimed sayign that poor dont have meters, dont you think they'l be motivated to get them installed soon? IF you dont base free usage on meters, should you just give it away? If they did that you'd be here complaining that they are giving away for free they should atleast have meters.

They're dealing with people like you, who are the "Heads is mine, and tail is mine too" variety. The BJP does the same, "Why dont they form the govt when CON is ready to support, are they runnign away from their responsibility?" Few days later, "Why did they take Cong support? They have betrayed the people of delhi."
The worst part for them is that people are seeing right through this stupidity.
 
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For example one of the things you yourself claimed saying that poor dont have meters, dont you think they'l be motivated to get them installed soon? IF you dont base free usage on meters, should you just give it away? If they did that you'd be here complaining that they are giving away for free they should atleast have meters.
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are meters installed per home or at the source of the water tank of the building?
were the poor given water for free earlier for which they were not "motivated" to install meters?

They're dealing with people like you, who are the "Heads is mine, and tail is mine too" variety. The BJP does the same, "Why dont they form the govt when CON is ready to support, are they runnign away from their responsibility?" Few days later, "Why did they take Cong support? They have betrayed the people of delhi."
The worst part for them is that people are seeing right through this stupidity.
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#yokejriwalsohonest had 370 pages worth of documented proof to put sheila dikshit in jail within 1 to 2 weeks when not in power and then when acquiring the chair is asking for proof from opposition.

yup we see the stupidity.
 
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Oh let me see, one of the prime reasons being that they are the only party that's actually TRYING to tackle the system established by BJP/Con, and paid BJP trolls online have been very butthurt and probably the only people going after well intentioned people.

Its one thing to criticise, but when you call your comment Anti-someparty, your comment is automatically construed as pro-someotherparty. A person with genuine criticisms will probably reason instead of using the same rhetoric as the political opponent.

For example one of the things you yourself claimed sayign that poor dont have meters, dont you think they'l be motivated to get them installed soon? IF you dont base free usage on meters, should you just give it away? If they did that you'd be here complaining that they are giving away for free they should atleast have meters.

They're dealing with people like you, who are the "Heads is mine, and tail is mine too" variety. The BJP does the same, "Why dont they form the govt when CON is ready to support, are they runnign away from their responsibility?" Few days later, "Why did they take Cong support? They have betrayed the people of delhi."
The worst part for them is that people are seeing right through this stupidity.
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This yo-yo ing post is the exact reason I had stayed away from this thread. Reading was way better. Now that I have put my head let me clarify what a conflict of opinions you have.
For one, how does AAP trying to tackle corruption by BJP/Congress, heck NCP, BSP, JDU, yada yada is the reason "probably" BJP trolls would go after the "well intentioned" people (though god knows how you actually measure intention? FSB and reservations are also "well intentioned" but the implementation is completely effed up). Or is it that the real world BJP protests against AAP means every TEian who is critical of AAP is a "probable" BJP supporter? Or are you saying we should accept AAP as prime-facie and not criticize them cause that makes us look like BJP supporters? And then we wonder how come our politicians dont take responsibility.
Your 2nd paragraph just contradicts the first. Aren't the AAP supporters on this thread using the BJP troll tag? It's plain holier than thou. Oh! anti-AAP is "probably" BJP troll. and then, Oh! people think some anti is pro something.
Now for the meter thing. Pray tell me, how did AAP come up with the figure of 700 liters per household (not per person was it?) Was it based on probable meter install base in Delhi (including poor who don't have meters yet which I highly doubt). If yes, then AAP has a way to answer anyone calling them pro-rich saying when the poor are "motivated" then we still can give 700l free water. The equation still remains the same and the question of pro-rich doesnt arise. Instead what we get is a lame excuse about motivating the poor.
Lastly, dint AK say BJP and Congress will form the government behind his back? Rather they are so shameless were the words he used. Leaving aside what BJP is saying and focusing on AAP (isnt that the point of the thread or is it what BJP is saying?) - Shouldn't they have forced an election? They dint. They made a mistake. It will come back to bite them. As simple as that.
As said earlier too, I think people should give them a year before criticizing them. Personally I will be more than happy if they open cases against Sheila Dixit and her cronies, even if they fail in free water and electricity department.
 
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And now, they want naxals to be in party. I agree others constantly picking on em is really bad for development. As its not going to happen. But statements like this. hmmmm.

So people are now saying kejriwal is not doing this so its all good. So is it AAP or Kejriwal who will bring India free of corruption? :). This is like watching a train wreck in slow mo.

I was never interested in politics, but this is too much of a fun to miss out. Why cant we Indians accept that we are corrupt to the core and just let it be. chaltha hai, jugad or whatever we call. All these 21st century web/online/social media revolutionaries... :) :)
 
manu1991 said:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/01/13/aap-fdi-delhi-kejriwal-idINDEEA0C0E420140113

Such a huge relief. I was worried Walmart, Ikea might set up shop here in Delhi and I'd get a better shopping experience. Thankfully, I can continue to get fleeced by the middlemen comfortably here.
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Unrelated to the good/bad intentions of AAP, FDI in retail has screwed up a lot of countries. When biggies like Walmart enter the market, they are in for the long haul. They can sit up to 10 years without earning a rupee in profits till they demolish the competition. I read a lot about this when Congress first tried to push this through in a hurry. I always have my doubts when my government tries to get something cleared on the sly and this was no exception.

It can be good when there is a strong government with a strong political will. With the rampant corruption in India, these corporations will wipe out local manufacturers. India is not China or Indonesia or Thailand. We have not exploited our manufacturing sector at all.

If you have the patience, read this - http://marketupdate.blog.com/?p=1067

m-jeri said:
I was never interested in politics, but this is too much of a fun to miss out. Why cant we Indians accept that we are corrupt to the core and just let it be. chaltha hai, jugad or whatever we call. All these 21st century web/online/social media revolutionaries... :) :)
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I know you are speaking in jest but I will not be proud passing on that legacy to my kids. Easy to have this attitude when one is blessed with money, education and a standing in society. I guess you are happy having a corrupt BJP/Congress running our government. Not saying that AAP is the perfect answer to all problems, but they are trying.
 
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There is so much room for small businesses to grow in India. Bureaucracy and corruption are one of the main hurdles to get started.
 
Sei said:
Unrelated to the good/bad intentions of AAP, FDI in retail has screwed up a lot of countries. When biggies like Walmart enter the market, they are in for the long haul. They can sit up to 10 years without earning a rupee in profits till they demolish the competition. I read a lot about this when Congress first tried to push this through in a hurry. I always have my doubts when my government tries to get something cleared on the sly and this was no exception.
It can be good when there is a strong government with a strong political will. With the rampant corruption in India, these corporations will wipe out local manufacturers. India is not China or Indonesia or Thailand. We have not exploited our manufacturing sector at all.
If you have the patience, read this - http://marketupdate.blog.com/?p=1067
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Eh? I thought AAP was supposed to provide the 'strong government and strong political will' I have read a lot of arguments for and against FDI in retail and even done a research project on it. For me, the pros far outweigh the cons. Similar concerns were also raised when they wanted to liberalise the economy in 1991 yet it turned out just fine. Till you keep providing crutches to the retail sector, they have zero incentive to reform themselves.

Someone on reddit pretty accurately summed up the AAP:
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Yes, the communist ideology is brilliant as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in real life. It will be circa west bengal all over again, people kept voting that government back for over 30 years yet the state lags behind in almost all development indicators.
 
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It seems that Immaturity and lack of experience will scuttle AAP's efforts.

Some of the actions/policies have been utterly stupid of late.
 
m-jeri said:
What legacy? What are you people even talking about?. Just let it be. We are just creating new monsters. Mark my words.
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+1. We can find millions of armchair activists at every nook and corner of india be it a chai dukan or internet forums :D or vips dining in the taj. I just enjoy these pointless debates and dont take it seriously. India will remain the same. :D .
 
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For me, the pros far outweigh the cons. Similar concerns were also raised when they wanted to liberalise the economy in 1991 yet it turned out just fine. Till you keep providing crutches to the retail sector, they have zero incentive to reform themselves.
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Can you summarize the pros and cons of fdi in retail?
 
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