Ok,so called up some people here and there.There is a shop in my city which is selling TF10 for 20k,IE8-17-18K,IE7-10K.I think I can bargain and get the ie7 for 9-9-5k and ie8 for 16k,but no bargaining for the TF10.How is the ie7?
Triple fi or ie8 or anything else?
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Ritvik
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Warm sounding, punchy bass and good sound-stage. Less soundstage than the TF10, but more than decent. I couldn't get a good fit, not so great isolation. The sennheiser supplied silicone tips are rubbish. Good earphones if you get them at good price second hand. Wouldn't pay retail for them again. I wish I'd tried the UE700 instead as they're about the same price, but they weren't available in India at the time.
OK,I can get the UE700 for 9.5k,so what shall I do?After such a prolonged discussion I am kind of reluctant to spend 19-20k for TF10 (they are really hard earned).Is there a huge differnce between ie7 and ie8?I have got some sony silicone tips which fit nicely.I hope I can use them with senns,can`t I?
Ritvik
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Should be able to use them, even the Sennheiser ones might be alright for you, its more me disliking them actually, there's worse stuff out there 
I too don't think you should spend so much on the TF10, they're hugely over priced here.
IE8 is a supposed to be a better all round with much more bass ( I think its adjustable). Once again read more reviews and wait for opinions. Think you can find the UE700 for under 6.5k on GEB with that Independence Day coupon.
I too don't think you should spend so much on the TF10, they're hugely over priced here.
IE8 is a supposed to be a better all round with much more bass ( I think its adjustable). Once again read more reviews and wait for opinions. Think you can find the UE700 for under 6.5k on GEB with that Independence Day coupon.
klipsch X10 are great....some say their bass is overpowering ....some say its perfect.
they have the best fit and isolation(also are very comfortable)....have not tried them though ....just read about them.
in india they are available at very resonable price.....around 9K .....internationally they are around 250$....they do compete with the top tier headphones like shure530 so my guess would be they are better than UE700.
they have the best fit and isolation(also are very comfortable)....have not tried them though ....just read about them.
in india they are available at very resonable price.....around 9K .....internationally they are around 250$....they do compete with the top tier headphones like shure530 so my guess would be they are better than UE700.
I mostly listen to listen to dark depressive songs (opeth,katatonia etc.)and some classical music.I heard IE8 produces some kind of dark sound (whatever that means).Are these two compatible?
esanthosh
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@red dragon,
Opeth, Katatonia, Classical - you are in my league then
I usually like a detailed IEM like RE-0 to be paired with Opeth. But it sounds a bit thin when un-amped, but it has it's plus points - I can "see" how much his throat is open.
PFE is much better at presenting Opeth - Akerfeldt's voice is just where I want him. Read dfkt's review of PFE - it's only based on that one remark I went for PFE
Of course, for the same band, there's no rule that you and I should enjoy the same elements. So, YMMV
Opeth, Katatonia, Classical - you are in my league then
I usually like a detailed IEM like RE-0 to be paired with Opeth. But it sounds a bit thin when un-amped, but it has it's plus points - I can "see" how much his throat is open.
PFE is much better at presenting Opeth - Akerfeldt's voice is just where I want him. Read dfkt's review of PFE - it's only based on that one remark I went for PFE
Of course, for the same band, there's no rule that you and I should enjoy the same elements. So, YMMV
^Good to know that mate.None of my friends listen to these bands.I guess I am getting older, do not like thrash anymore.Getting PFE in a shop will be impossible in India,isn`t it?
esanthosh
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^ I too grew out of thrash quite sometime ago. Except for a few nostalgic trips, I don't go there. It's not a question of growing older IMHO, rather a sign of 'maturity in taste' I don't have any issues switching between Opeth and Bach. If Opeth were monotonous, then that wouldn't be possible.
Let's get back to topic. As far as getting PFE is concerned, won't be easy. I bought mine through a friend in Singapore. Null Audio seems to have stopped selling PFE nowadays (I also read too many complaints against Kevin Wang). Do not know if Jaben has it.
Other choice would be https://www.soundearphones.com/brands/phonak-audeo. They ship internationally with $30 shipping charges, customs would be extra as they won't under-declare. A better bet would be looking at Head-Fi FS threads. Or you can wish that I get something far better than PFE soon, so much so that I don't even want to keep it
Update:
I went back and did a quick IEM rolling and listened to Opeth and Classical. Due to time factor, skipped on RE-0.
Hippo Pearl: They have clarity, resolution, a bit of bass and can work un-EQed. But, the cramped sound stage is an issue. It's not a great issue with Opeth as you can forgive it, but with Classical music, you do need a normal - to - wide soundstage. Perhaps, you could try a Shroom EB?
PFE: As I said, right how I want it. But, adding a T3 with both gain switches on (+ 7 dB) makes it far better. I really would need a bit more micro detail in cymbal crashes. But, this is far, far better. With a complex and layered music like Opeth, you need precise positioning, separation, a bit of bass, good treble extension but not too sparkly as their recordings tend to have so much vocal sibilance esp. prior to 'Still Life'. With Classical, you need a similar setup, but something which produces details at lower volumes as the music often goes through almost silent passages. Opeth does have this characteristic too, but then their recordings have higher gain. With Classical, you also need timber, tone etc., It's really difficult to find something that does it all really well. However, PFE does everything neat and decent.
Hippo VB with Sony Hybrid tips: Wait! where are my details? Yeah! Wide sound stage, but someone took Akerfeldt and placed him at the backstage. It's sibilance could kill "Isolation Years", but far better with these damn expensive Sony tips. This su....c.. wow! listen to that - I never knew that bass guitar could sound so good and the drums :lick:. A bit more and I'd be having tactile bass. Forgot what I was trying to do :ashamed:
I don't have any issues switching between Opeth and Bach. If Opeth were monotonous, then that wouldn't be possible.Let's get back to topic. As far as getting PFE is concerned, won't be easy. I bought mine through a friend in Singapore. Null Audio seems to have stopped selling PFE nowadays (I also read too many complaints against Kevin Wang). Do not know if Jaben has it.
Other choice would be https://www.soundearphones.com/brands/phonak-audeo. They ship internationally with $30 shipping charges, customs would be extra as they won't under-declare. A better bet would be looking at Head-Fi FS threads. Or you can wish that I get something far better than PFE soon, so much so that I don't even want to keep it
Update:
I went back and did a quick IEM rolling and listened to Opeth and Classical. Due to time factor, skipped on RE-0.
Hippo Pearl: They have clarity, resolution, a bit of bass and can work un-EQed. But, the cramped sound stage is an issue. It's not a great issue with Opeth as you can forgive it, but with Classical music, you do need a normal - to - wide soundstage. Perhaps, you could try a Shroom EB?
PFE: As I said, right how I want it. But, adding a T3 with both gain switches on (+ 7 dB) makes it far better. I really would need a bit more micro detail in cymbal crashes. But, this is far, far better. With a complex and layered music like Opeth, you need precise positioning, separation, a bit of bass, good treble extension but not too sparkly as their recordings tend to have so much vocal sibilance esp. prior to 'Still Life'. With Classical, you need a similar setup, but something which produces details at lower volumes as the music often goes through almost silent passages. Opeth does have this characteristic too, but then their recordings have higher gain. With Classical, you also need timber, tone etc., It's really difficult to find something that does it all really well. However, PFE does everything neat and decent.
Hippo VB with Sony Hybrid tips: Wait! where are my details? Yeah! Wide sound stage, but someone took Akerfeldt and placed him at the backstage. It's sibilance could kill "Isolation Years", but far better with these damn expensive Sony tips. This su....c.. wow! listen to that - I never knew that bass guitar could sound so good and the drums :lick:. A bit more and I'd be having tactile bass. Forgot what I was trying to do :ashamed:
@esantosh,thanks buddy,for giving so much time and doing the research work for me.But I am absolutely confused now.The main problem is the local availability now.I can only get ie7,8 and tf10 locally and they are overpriced,the lowest I can get for ie8 is 17k,tf10 is ruled out for the fitting and cable issues.
esanthosh
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I'd say that's why it makes sense to settle for a mid-tier IEM for the time being. You can have something that offers better quality, enjoy the music for a while and then do the next upgrade by selling it here. If Classical and Opeth, Katatonia is what you listen most of the time, you won't regret a RE-0, but then you also need an amp to make it positively shine.
Try to get them going through the minefield of Lynx locally or get them directly from Head-Direct ($10 shipping charges). If you do not like it after say, 3 months, you can always sell it here and go for something better. You are not going to lose too greatly as long as you maintain the IEM in good shape. If you feel like, you can add a FiiO E5 Amp (under Rs. 1000) and try to see if you like the bass boost-ed RE-0. Once you experience RE-0, you can start reading up and researching on better IEMs compared to RE-0. Your own experience is the best guide. No matter how much you read, your personal experience may or may not agree with the majority opinion on all things. There are those who like RE-0's treble extension and those who find it 'aggressive'. You never know which bucket you'll fall into
If you do intend to buy a lower price IEM, try M2 or a Hippo Shroom EB ($57 from Jaben. You can also ask TE dealer Moshel to arrange it for you).
Out of the options you have given, I'd still say TF10 is the best bet, because at least a few people here liked it's signature (some 'too' much
). It seems to do both bass and treble well, has details. But it's issues are elsewhere like the fit. It's recessed mids could be fixed by a cable upgrade. Again, as I said more $$$.
IE8 is available for a sensible price (150 GBP) at Amazon UK, but there are lesser ways of getting it from there than the US. If you have any one visiting from UK, you could try that - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-IE-IE-Ear-Canal-Phones/dp/B0012XFDWE
Among slightly more analytical phones, RE-252 is a very good bet. DBA-02 is yet another in the sensible price range.
Try to get them going through the minefield of Lynx locally or get them directly from Head-Direct ($10 shipping charges). If you do not like it after say, 3 months, you can always sell it here and go for something better. You are not going to lose too greatly as long as you maintain the IEM in good shape. If you feel like, you can add a FiiO E5 Amp (under Rs. 1000) and try to see if you like the bass boost-ed RE-0. Once you experience RE-0, you can start reading up and researching on better IEMs compared to RE-0. Your own experience is the best guide. No matter how much you read, your personal experience may or may not agree with the majority opinion on all things. There are those who like RE-0's treble extension and those who find it 'aggressive'. You never know which bucket you'll fall into
If you do intend to buy a lower price IEM, try M2 or a Hippo Shroom EB ($57 from Jaben. You can also ask TE dealer Moshel to arrange it for you).
Out of the options you have given, I'd still say TF10 is the best bet, because at least a few people here liked it's signature (some 'too' much
). It seems to do both bass and treble well, has details. But it's issues are elsewhere like the fit. It's recessed mids could be fixed by a cable upgrade. Again, as I said more $$$.IE8 is available for a sensible price (150 GBP) at Amazon UK, but there are lesser ways of getting it from there than the US. If you have any one visiting from UK, you could try that - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-IE-IE-Ear-Canal-Phones/dp/B0012XFDWE
Among slightly more analytical phones, RE-252 is a very good bet. DBA-02 is yet another in the sensible price range.
Completely agree with that. Everyone has different pair of ears. You need to audition/buy a few to see what you actually like.esanthosh said:Try to get them going through the minefield of Lynx locally or get them directly from Head-Direct ($10 shipping charges). If you do not like it after say, 3 months, you can always sell it here and go for something better. You are not going to lose too greatly as long as you maintain the IEM in good shape. If you feel like, you can add a FiiO E5 Amp (under Rs. 1000) and try to see if you like the bass boost-ed RE-0. Once you experience RE-0, you can start reading up and researching on better IEMs compared to RE-0. Your own experience is the best guide. No matter how much you read, your personal experience may or may not agree with the majority opinion on all things. There are those who like RE-0's treble extension and those who find it 'aggressive'. You never know which bucket you'll fall into
If you are looking for a cheaper mid-fi alternative as of now , nothing means nothing beats a Brainwavz M2 . Since I don't have my RE-252 right now , I had to chose between RE-0,NE7 and M2 for daily usage. I thought I would end up with RE-0 but after trying all 3 for 15-20 mins each I ended up picking up the M2s. These IEMs are literally a steal for the price they sell for cause they sound as good as an RE-0, RE1 unamped .I guess I should write a full review for them .The impressions preview thread didn't quite do justice to these awesome IEMs. If I would rate any IEM a full 10/10 in terms of value for money ,build quality etc. It would only be the M2 right now . I was thinking of getting rid of them for my next upgrade but now I don't think I can let them go. Awesome is an understatement for these.
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