41-50k Gaming plus software rig , please help out with your advice .

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cyberwarfare said:
h100 is preferred if you can spare the xtra cash. i say go ahead with option5.b along with the h80. the hx650 or tx750 wont have any problem with the h100 or h80 pump.
and yes, the 400r can easily take on the h100, just not in push , pulll. honestly, it wont even matter.
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Kindly refer to the scores of issues that 400R has with H100 - best is corsair's own forum H100 with 400R and Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3? - The Corsair Support Forums - This is from RAM GUY (a Corsair Product Guru) who has over 108,048 posts to his credit (although it's a case with the Z68 mobo); see also - AnandTech - Corsair Hydro Series: H60, H80 and H100 Reviewed
The H100's 2x120mm radiator design and 275mm overall length may pose problems depending on your choice of case. You're going to need ~52mm of clearance to install the H100 in its default configuration and a whopping ~77mm if you opt for a push/pull setup. This is of course assuming you have a case that supports 2x120mm fans with the correct 15mm spacing for the radiator/fans.
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The Gamma or 400R does not match well with H100 (in fact even Graphite 600T runs into the same problems).

regarding prices harry_houdini
The 500R - Rs 6645 (primeabgb .... although it's NOT showing as "in-stock" now ..... however, if you really need things from Prime - you can get it ONLY by visiting their shop on lammy); Rs 7050/- at hardwire.in )

The real issue for you harry is not that you should be looking into "modding at all" - (leave that to the dare-devils), BUT understanding the scope that 500R offers (or any other case for that matter):-
- Does the Cabinet have "sufficient" room to accomodate - the COMBINATION of Motherboard + RAM Modules (with their own heat-sinks) + Cooler (air/water) + GPU + SSD's & HDD's (whichever it may be?) ...... and lastly have 'excellent air-flow' & cabling possibilities ?

- Oversight in these matters leads to getting frustrated - especially when we desire premium products (or large sized components) & pay a fortune...... (How often have we heard of guys having to take-out their 3rd party coolers, esp when shuffling or adding more RAM sticks - just because RAM's monstrous heatsinks interfered with the cooler.... or that populating the nearest slot to the proc was difficult if not impossible)

- cross check actual builds with the main components that you have chosen for "fitting & compatibility" issues.

- Lastly, I repeat that I am not advocating "modding" at all (it's too risky business esp for us here in India & with the limitted resources that we have access to).

Today, we do have an excellent range of cabinets to make a correct decision - and when combined with a sufficiently powered PSU (modular is better) - these two can serve us well for over 6-10 years (all the remaining inards we can change as and when we desire)...... this is my philosophy whenever I recommend builds to folks who will not crib on spending 15-20K just on these two components.

I rest my case.
 
@terence_fdes
Thanks sir , but you misunderstood me .
I was talking of the 500R , does the H100 fit well or has any problem in the 500R ? .
Thanks a lot for the detailed reply .
Well I would love to get the best things out there , but budget is a contraint :( . Just trying to accommodate whatever I can in that huge ( for me ) sum .
If you wish , you could also recommend a system with i5 3570k in 50+5k (stretched ) .
And thanks for those links , i actually found out that 500r has better space and cooling than 600t :scared14: .
 
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harry_houdini said:
terence_fdes
Thanks sir , but you misunderstood me .
I was talking of the 500R , does the H100 fit well or has any problem in the 500R ? .
Thanks a lot for the detailed reply .
Well I would love to get the best things out there , but budget is a contraint :( . Just trying to accommodate whatever I can in that huge ( for me ) sum .
If you wish , you could also recommend a system with i5 3570k in 50+5k (stretched ) .
And thanks for those links , i actually found out that 500r has better space and cooling than 600t :scared14: .
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No Harry I did not get you wrong - the H100 fits perfectly into the 500R and even with the push/pull setup.

see also prime's special I-day offer INDEPENDENCE DAY SPECIAL OFFER !

The remaining recomendations that the others have given all are fine ..... I was only worried when you picked the H100 and the suggested cabinets were not the best option for it.

EDIT: AS A PRECAUTION PLEASE GOOGLE - "corsair H100 installation in 500R" and check the results (even on youtube). There are issues with RAM sticks - http://www.overclock.net/t/1178386/corsair-500r-h100-16gb-ram-h100-issues /
 
@cyberwarfare , thanks for the reply .
I missed your lil post there :scared14: .
I need to check the street pricing of the H80 and H100 , its confusing me .
Got any links ? .

Guys am not getting any notifications of your tags , so if possible just quote a single line from my message so i get a notification .
Thanks
 
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harry_houdini
go for thr 400r. fitting it will be no issue in push or pull. ill help you out in the installation if you want. the street price of the h100 was 6700/- iirc a month ago. if you can stretch it, then go for it. if not then even the h80 is not a bad option. best is to call prime and get pricing, they are awesome that way :)

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i have seen rigs built with the 400r and h100 and they work flawlessly. and this is on the latest gear.
 
cyberwarfare said:
harry_houdini
go for thr 400r. fitting it will be no issue in push or pull. ill help you out in the installation if you want. the street price of the h100 was 6700/- iirc a month ago. if you can stretch it, then go for it. if not then even the h80 is not a bad option. best is to call prime and get pricing, they are awesome that way :)

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i have seen rigs built with the 400r and h100 and they work flawlessly. and this is on the latest gear.
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Thanks ,
How will you help out , you coming here ? :scared14::p
Push Pull rocks I guess, a temp difference of almost 3-5 deg C , but not possible on most cabinets , not sure if its possible on any cheap cabinet .
Prime doesnt give street pricing on phone , he ll quote the net price on phone which anyone with internet can see , which is higher than street pricing , or its own pricing if you go to buy there , besides is always impatient and doesnt trust if we are really here to buy , and i dont blame them for that . So in short talking on phone doesnt give any good idea about pricing .
@terence_fdes
Thanks for the link , that was a one of incident where the guy did not know how to fit the h100 in 500r . 500r easily takes the h100 but only in one config , I dont know if its push or pull .
 
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harry_houdini said:
Here is the raw list
i5 3570k
Corsair 2 x 2Gb ram
SSD , liked the OCZ very much with 5 yr warranty but no RMA visible anywhere in India , dont know if prime does help in that case . So still Intel SSD is on mind , thought of Corsair for warranty but guess corsair doesnt perform well like the intel and ocz counterparts .
Corsair TX750v2 or HX650 , similar pricing .
How much warranty does the HX650 have ?. Is it 7 years like abroad or 5 years ? .
Two options : a. Gigabyte G1 sniper M3 + 400r + H100
b. Asus V gene + Nzxt gamma + Thermalright Silver arrow / DH-14 ---> depends on price .
Can't go for the best in everything because of budget , so between those two or some other combo that you can think of .
I know the gamma gets too cramped , guess even the 400R gets cramped because of the huge cooler highly hampering air flow , so what is my way to tackle that ? .
Another thing I thought was H80 with the gamma , am not sure if gamma fits the H80 and after seeing the price difference in H80 and H100 , H80 doesnt really make sense .
I guess its for those who already have a case and not capable of a long rad .

Fans : No idea .
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Here is your answer Harry --

If you purchase your SSD from onlyssd.com which is Prime ABGB's spin-off exclusively focused on SSD's I think they will cover you for relatively lesser known brands like OCZ and Crucial. Corsair anyways has a solid after-sales net so you needn't worry if you pick up a Corsair Force GT drive [which is priced acceptably].

The Corsair HX650W is a modular SMPS whilst the TX v2750W is not, so it is your choice. Both are rated at 80+ Bronze efficiency and can power up a decent SLi / CrosssFireX [upto 2 xGTX660Ti's OR 2 xHD7870] RIG, although the latter has an overhead of ~100W for added safety and over-clocking space.

The Silver Arrow and NH-D14 might not fit in the NZXT Gamma, the NH-U12P / Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO barely fits into them, with ~140mm fans the situation will be a lot more cramped and screw cable management in the midst of such gargantuan heat-sinks. Once on they will be a pain to manipulate in the shallow depth and width of the NZXT Gamma. So you can switch the cabinets in the build, the H100 / H80 build can have the NZXT Gamma and the air-cooler dependent RIG can have the progressively larger Corsair Carbide 400R.

For the fans you can look at Cooler Master SickleFlow series [non-LED edition], DeepCool fans I had notified you earlier OR Noctua premium fans. Corsair will soon release its own fan range here in India so you can wait for those to show up too.

The HX650W will have no issues powering up the H-series water-coolers.

Hope this answers your queries, Cheerio!

P.S. -- Another cabinet that you might be able to source is the Bit Fenix Outlaw APAC edition, contact these guys -- XTREME GRAFIX | Where Indian Gaming Is Rendered.
 
harry_houdini; ALPHA17; cyberwarfare

Corsair 500R - Cons/Some after-thoughts

Last night after a brief discussion with Abhay, I decided to re-check on the 500R and this is what I came up with (after going through the feedback "cons" only, of around 124 actual users of this cabinet from newegg). Also the fact was that I was seriously considering this cabby for my own build.
  • Poor packaging - due to which the sides can get dented or paint can chip off
  • side and front intake fans dust-filter missing (especially for the 200mm side fan) - [Although another school of thought would like it this way for unrestricted airflow]
  • material on the sides feels very thin - causing side-to-side wobble OR if the case is fully loaded (esp with Noctua D14; 2GPU's & multiple HDD's) and when both side panels are removed then the entire case torques very easily
  • side panels cannot be disconnected very easily (unlike other Corsair models)
  • Included fans are 3-pin fans that ONLY connect to the built-in propriety fan controller (you cannot plug these onto the motherboard fan-headers)
  • Instruction Manual is pathetic - For first time builders a major challenge to put things together
  • Very less spacing at the sides of the HDD's as the case side covers are flush with these cages - You have to use 90 degree SATA connectors
  • Motherboard tray is deep - so a side-mounted usb 3.0 header wedges in at a nasty angle (Asus Sabertooth)

Strangely, many of those who found the above flaws also had a plenty of positive things to praise this cabinet over many other's & especially regarding the H100 (made for each other). On a personal note I would not go in for this cabinet now. So apologies for my earlier suggestion.

Thanks
 
harry_houdini said:
terence_fdes
Wow , that amount of work is amazing you did there .
Thanks Sir , so what cabinet would you suggest ? .
Anything in mind ? .
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Sorry dude.... I am running into a BLANK WALL right now. Incidently, these were my requirements for a cabby
- Excellent air-flow & Build Quality
- With built-in 3/4 fans (would add more later if necessary)
- Front usb 3.0 ports (and if possible with a shelf/flat space at the top of the cabinet - to temporarily keep any usb devices - as most of them come with short usb cables)
- 4 External 5.25" Drive Bays and
- 6 Internal 3.5" Drive Bays (preferably detachable racks not fixed)
- removable dust filters (for easy cleaning)
 
@terence_fdes
Well am already sitting on a blank wall :( .
We cant have everything in a budget chassis , those " perfect " chassis are easily upwards or 9-10k .
So have to compromise somewhere , but that torque thing really scared me .
What if I use an air cooler and something snaps ( cpu socket ) , I ll be doomed for eternity :6807c8d4:
 
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:( Big guns making fun of a poor lil guy :(:p

ampdr1 said:
hi harry,

so, have u decided on cabinet and cpu cooler?
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Hi ,
Not yet , but will do so soon , gotta buy on Tuesday . Will report here and also pm you as soon as its decided and then when its bought . I owe a huge thanks to everyone who is helping .
What have you decided ? .

Jakob said:
^^:lol:
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BIKeINSTEIN said:
^ So have you guys selected a bride for HH? :P
Most people might not ask so many queries before getting married too. :lol:
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Lol , well you are not the only one who says that , everyone close to me has the same opinion . Specially happy will be my college profs , they would be praying they dont encounter someone else like me who asks " out of portion " questions .

So to counter that I by-hearted this line "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever." its a chinese proverb .

Well the real reason is this is a huge huge sum of money for me , used my P4 for 8 yrs , it did what it could but the HD world rendered it usesless , initially went with an e350n , its good and cheaper solution but doesnt do everything I want . So in a way money wasted , should have made a thread that time . I dont wanna be in a similar situation where in I buy something and it doesnt do that job or i regret buying it later for some reason . Just cant afford that this time cause the money involved is a big amount for me .

Anyways wont last much , buying it on tuesday . So just some queries remaining :p .

Cheers
 
harry_houdini said:
Freaking 660ti is priced at 26k in India , 300$= 16-17 and here 26 k, 10k difference ,
dont know where to bang my head :bangin:
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What! I was expecting the ceiling to be around ~24000/-. This card is atrociously priced in India, go for the HD7870 and be happy, you can probably over-clock the AMD card and end with similar numbers as the HD7950 [which is good] without all the hoopla about highly increased power consumption.

Compared to the fact that the GTX660Ti is a complete damp-squib when it comes to over-clocking this pricing makes it even more unattractive here in India and forget price-cuts.
 
hi harry_houdini

so are you planning to buy H100 or going for air cooled CPU cooler.... i was first inclined towards H80->H100, but when i came across mixed reviews about noise it makes and possibility of pump failure and all, i am in dilemma whether to go for H100 or Thermalright Silver Arrow...

as far as cabinet, 400R or NZXT Temptest EVO ???
 
ALPHA17 said:
What! I was expecting the ceiling to be around ~24000/-. This card is atrociously priced in India, go for the HD7870 and be happy, you can probably over-clock the AMD card and end with similar numbers as the HD7950 [which is good] without all the hoopla about highly increased power consumption.

Compared to the fact that the GTX660Ti is a complete damp-squib when it comes to over-clocking this pricing makes it even more unattractive here in India and forget price-cuts.
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Hi thanks brother ,
well the reference 660ti does not support over-volting and hence no overclocking or minimal overclocking .
And most non - reference cards have the same story except some like the MSI power edition , there is also a Zotac card which is rumoured to be a " speed king " .
MSI have added and external electrical/electronic component ( sorry am not so good in electronics ) which allows over-volting and hence overclocking which gives performance = an overclocked reference GTX 670 ( now I dont understand what this means really ) but its supposed to be good :unsure: .

The pricing is really insane , I feel the ceiling should have been 22-23k .
I hope this is the launch day/week madness and price comes down , just hoping for it . Thou I guess can be fruitless .

ampdr1 said:
hi harry_houdini

so are you planning to buy H100 or going for air cooled CPU cooler.... i was first inclined towards H80->H100, but when i came across mixed reviews about noise it makes and possibility of pump failure and all, i am in dilemma whether to go for H100 or Thermalright Silver Arrow...

as far as cabinet, 400R or NZXT Temptest EVO ???
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Hello Sir ,
after reading reviews and seeing a lot of videos , there is a conclusion that the Thermalright Silver Arrow , Noctua nh-d14 and the H100 have almost the same performance levels ,
just consider a margin of 1-3 deg C . One review even said the silver arrow was better than the H100 also .
So I guess its a matter of personal choice .
If I wanted and air cooler , I personally would spend 1k extra and get the D14 because I like Noctua's support and ease of use , no ram slot problems , etc . H100 has problems , you are right .
But then its a Corsair product , so you dont have to worry about replacements and warranty issues . That is ofcourse theoretical and based on stories I ve read and heard of Corsair .
I dont really know how is their replacements in coolers , their PSU replacement is awesome .
The pump does make some noise , we have to bear that in case you are considering the H100 . Can't do anything about it , specially at high loads , it can get louder , in some cases people have even changed the stock fans because they found them to be loud .
Another scare with closed loops is leaks , although very few cases out there but there is a possibility . But then air coolers have their own disadvantages , they are heavy , in some crazy accident can rip your motherboard apart , again very rare , so you gotta chose a thing which you can live with .
There is also Antec kuhler closed water loop series , I ve no idea about it , @ALPHA17 , any idea about these Antecs mate ? .
If you want a low budget solution for a cooler and upgrade later on , have a look at the Cooler Master 212 evo . People are very happy with it at that price .

About the cabinet am not very sure , depends on budget I guess . Have asked Mr Chirag for a quote . I had seen a youtube video link where an Indian guy had put a silver arrow in his gamma and was happy , thou it covered huge amounts of free space which could hinder air flow but he seemed to manage everything , am very sorry I cant find the link at the moment .
I really really liked the 500R's space management and fan placement , specially the side 200mm fan which cools all motherboard components which is ignored by some people , they think only cooling the CPU and the GPU is good enough , the fact is the electronic components also need proper cooling , those capacitors and other components can also hold off your overclocks to a certain extent due to overheating . But then they messed up with air filters , no air filters in intake position means a lot of dust , thats a big headache for someone as lazy as me . For someone like a friend of mine who cleans his PC weekly :scared14: , its not a problem , you should see his cabinet , after 3 yrs his components look new ! , but again for someone like me its :( .
I can't keep doing this , have to go with some cabby in the end , can't have my system without clothes :p .


If you have found something , please share .


Cheers and sorry for the long post .
 
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