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Yes diversification is necessary. But Commercial property rental income is way more stable than market, so one should keep property/land in mind when investing huge sums.
Rental income is good when you start but as the time goes the increment in rent doesn't go as the market price and after few years you will not be happy with the outcome. Secondly it will be a headache if the tenant decide not to leave the place or just starts paying rent in court. My father was a well known civil lawyer and he would tell me countless such cases.

The rent that look good today - will look bad after 5 years - will look worse after10 years - will look pathetic after 15 years

I know people who pay 100rs rent for a main road shop where as present value of same shop is 5k, There are few extreme ones too where people pay 13rs ~15rs as rent for 30yr or 40yr old houses on rent.
 
Rental income is good when you start but as the time goes the increment in rent doesn't go as the market price and after few years you will not be happy with the outcome. Secondly it will be a headache if the tenant decide not to leave the place or just starts paying rent in court. My father was a well known civil lawyer and he would tell me countless such cases.

The rent that look good today - will look bad after 5 years - will look worse after10 years - will look pathetic after 15 years

I know people who pay 100rs rent for a main road shop where as present value of same shop is 5k, There are few extreme ones too where people pay 13rs ~15rs as rent for 30yr or 40yr old houses on rent.
The cases you have mentioned must not have proper leases. You can increase rent yearly as per lease contract. Its there fault they didn’t do paperwork to evade taxes. Even we increase 10% rent every year. The rent income basically paid off loan on property then some profit. And then value of property increased 5x over time.

But that being said, diversification is necessary and everything in Mfs, stocks is just as crazy as everything in properties.
 
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Yes diversification is necessary. But Commercial property rental income is way more stable than market, so one should keep property/land in mind when investing huge sums.
One can start investing in MF with only 500 Rs. That's not the case with real estate or any other asset class.

If someone can invest in real estate then they should realize they are already privileged and an exception in our country.

And finally, treating real estate as commodity instead of necessity is one of the reasons why income inequality is high in this country. Call me a socialist or communist or whatever. But that's the bitter truth.
 
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Secondly it will be a headache if the tenant decide not to leave the place or just starts paying rent in court.
Thanks for insightful info, was interested in commercial properties so that I can put them on rental as an way of passive income.
In the recent budget there was some update about rental properties. Any positive directives which can help owners ?
If someone can invest in real estate then they should realize they are already privileged and an exception in our country.

And finally, treating real estate as commodity instead of necessity is one of the reasons why income inequality is high in this country. Call me a socialist or communist or whatever. But that's the bitter truth.
Fully understand your concern when business-politco nexus orchestrate real estate market exploiting law and system.

However, if someone who slogged out his life till middle age wanted to have a sustainable income to supplant him when his working age is ceasing, he should also have an opportunity.
 
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If anyone is looking for real estate to earn rental income, can look at various REITs.
Its very similar to MF and ticket size is minimal.

 
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Highest yield on REIT investment is shown @7.3%, reduce the 10% TDS on returns, tax on dividends, whatnot.
Isn't that near bank interest level, have to consider market volatility too.
So, from the perpective of rental income, yes, its around 6-8% but then there will be capital appreciation as well.
I think I missed that point in my previous comment.
 
there will be capital appreciation as well.
Since REITs are traded like shares, there will be price volatility. For eg., if one look at 1yr graph of top REIT stock, the graph is on an upward move from 5yr low:
Also as mentioned, the taxes on returns takes a small cut.
 
Rental income is good when you start but as the time goes the increment in rent doesn't go as the market price and after few years you will not be happy with the outcome. Secondly it will be a headache if the tenant decide not to leave the place or just starts paying rent in court. My father was a well known civil lawyer and he would tell me countless such cases.

The rent that look good today - will look bad after 5 years - will look worse after10 years - will look pathetic after 15 years
You are confusing between Modern Day Rental Agreement called Leave & License with Olden Days Rent called Pagdi System

Leave & License is safe, at least in Maharashtra (Mumbai/Thane/Palghar/Navi Mumbai etc.) 75% of flats in this region are on Leave & License and on completion of agreement, owner/tenant either Renew/Leave on mutual consents without any glitch etc.

Even in between agreement period either tenant or owner if think otherwise, after giving 30 days advance notice in writing, any one can cancel the agreement and move on.

I know people who pay 100rs rent for a main road shop where as present value of same shop is 5k, There are few extreme ones too where people pay 13rs ~15rs as rent for 30yr or 40yr old houses on rent.
it's called Pagdi System and that applicable in Chawl/Chaal type building.

Most of time 5-10 family/room have 1 common Latrine and in office time, hard to find vacant/empty latrine as all office goers need to use same 1 Latrine, so you may find long Que for Latrine in between Office goers.

On name of bathroom there is 3 feet x 3 feet mori but separate for each room inside room, still have same type Chawal in Mumbai till today and people keep living in ......

Owners of such pagdi system building (max 4 floors building and very very old, say 40-50 yrs or more) not allow any one to repair such building and keep wishing to let building collapse and let all die inside and once all matter settles, start building big posh towers (forget about what Law & Pagdi System Law saying)
 
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One can start investing in MF with only 500 Rs. That's not the case with real estate or any other asset class.

If someone can invest in real estate then they should realize they are already privileged and an exception in our country.

And finally, treating real estate as commodity instead of necessity is one of the reasons why income inequality is high in this country. Call me a socialist or communist or whatever. But that's the bitter truth.
Anyone with stable income can take loan. Why are we talking about privilege? Anyways I am out of this conversation. Ciao.
 
The cases you have mentioned must not have proper leases. You can increase rent yearly as per lease contract. Its there fault they didn’t do paperwork to evade taxes. Even we increase 10% rent every year. The rent income basically paid off loan on property then some profit. And then value of property increased 5x over time.

But that being said, diversification is necessary and everything in Mfs, stocks is just as crazy as everything in properties.
Lets assume the rent for a small shop is 1500 INR and increasing 10% every year the amount will be roughly
Rent after 5 yrs = 2250 (1500+750)
Rent after 10 yrs = 3000 (1500+1500)
Rent after 15 yrs = 3750 (1500+2250)

You will start feeling bad after just 5 years when the rental earning is just 2250 where as others are earning 3500 for same shop, This gap will increase gradually because your money is increasing on a constant rate where as market value changes based on surrounding where it can be 50% or sometimes 100%. I am not saying that its a bad passive investment but the rewards keep decreasing overtime.
Leave & License is safe, at least in Maharashtra (Mumbai/Thane/Palghar/Navi Mumbai etc.) 75% of flats in this region are on Leave & License and on completion of agreement, owner/tenant either Renew/Leave on mutual consents without any glitch etc.

Even in between agreement period either tenant or owner if think otherwise, after giving 30 days advance notice in writing, any one can cancel the agreement and move on.
I am not aware if the system works perfectly everywhere since I don't have first hand experience so I'll assume it works
 
Lets assume the rent for a small shop is 1500 INR and increasing 10% every year the amount will be roughly
Rent after 5 yrs = 2250 (1500+750)
Rent after 10 yrs = 3000 (1500+1500)
Rent after 15 yrs = 3750 (1500+2250)

You will start feeling bad after just 5 years when the rental earning is just 2250 where as others are earning 3500 for same shop, This gap will increase gradually because your money is increasing on a constant rate where as market value changes based on surrounding where it can be 50% or sometimes 100%. I am not saying that its a bad passive investment but the rewards keep decreasing overtime.

I am not aware if the system works perfectly everywhere since I don't have first hand experience so I'll assume it works
thats when you sell it buddy also its not 10% you renew as per both party’s agreement. Anyways a 10x10ft shop fetches you lakhs in major markets in rent per month. Unsubscribing the thread.
 
Anyone with stable income can take loan. Why are we talking about privilege? Anyways I am out of this conversation. Ciao.
You really can't understand why it is a privilege to be able to buy a house in this country? You truly live in a bubble. Ciao indeed.
 

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Shares of Ola Electric Mobility skyrocketed 20% on the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE) after a lukewarm debut on the stock market, listing at par with its issue price of Rs 76 per share.

Ola Electric's shares were trading 20% higher at Rs 91.18 on the BSE at 11:50 am, marking a sharp jump from its initial listing price. read more
Lol, I got the Ceigall India shares allotted, exited with a 4% gain, and this OLA skyrocketed—even after having a negative GMP.
 
OLA skyrocketed—even after having a negative GMP.
Looks like big institutions who got allocations will pump it up and later dump on retailers.
Had slightly better expectations on Akum Drugs & Pharma after listing, but the listing gains only stayed up on 1st day and is wilting off later.
 
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Used to monitor this stock earlier, dropped of my target unfortunately, mentioned it earlier here:
It's a make and break stock for some.
 
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