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bond_bhai said:
India manufactured Maggi noodles meet safety standards in Singapore

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...i-noodles-meet-safety-standards-in-singapore/

Now, i am not sure if the "quality" of exported goods is same as the ones sold locally. But, there it is. Nestle can mock Indian regulators saying, "well we didnt know India had such high standards".
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Auto companies manufacture better Euro VI for export while Euro IV for India in the same factories in India.

I do not understand why people think it is a govt. conspiracy. There has been such food safety issues all over the world. Don't forget the UK horse meat scandal a couple of years ago.
 
^^ Look I don't even like Maggi. I haven't eaten it in 12 years. More than the Masala, I hate the quality of the noodles bundled with Maggi.

But I have no qualms in believing that its a govt conspiracy. I even agree that many of these food options contain harmful substances. But why the selective exposure and action even if the claims are true?

What about all the other processed food options?

Every street food vendor to 5 star restaurant uses MSG in large quantities. Maggi is nothing compared to that. If govt were really standing for public safety interests, majority of the eateries would have been shut down.

As for lead, I hope people realize that the so called "vark" or "silver foil" used by most of the sweets shops is in fact lead for the most part and all these sweets shops should have been shut down.

For anybody thinking about food hazards, there are so many other things that come before maggi, but the politicians have some personal and political reasons for going after Nestle in particular.

Its similar to how they went after greenpeace to protect their own black money investments.
 
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Auto manufacturers do this all the time. Same model but better quality car with better metal and better safety for export and inferior for India.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
^^ Oh Please.. are you stupid?, trying to act stupid or simply don't comprehend language or don't comprehend science?

2: What I am saying is that absolute quantity is not the only thing that matters. Get it through your head.

3: You put a spoonful of chili in your mouth and it will burn your taste buds off your tongue. You dilute the same quantity of chili in a larger quantity of food and eat it all in one go and it would not do any harm.

4: Coming back to your sleeping pills and bananas logic, I hope you realized that you will die if you try to eat 50 bananas even without the pills. So lets take the example of a more reasonable dose. Lets say 5 sleeping pills at one go is a fatal dose and you would die in 30 min. Do you think if you put the same 5 pills in 5 pieces of banana and swallowed them (so as not to chew the pills), it would take the same 30 min. It won't. Because of the change in concentration and the amount of extra matter added, it would take much more time to absorb and to act. What about dissolving those 5 pills in a glass of water and drinking that. It is much more easy form to absorb, So you might die in less than 30 min. In fact, even 3 pills might be enough to kill instead of 5.
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Actually I didn't comrehend the logic behind what you were saying. And there was no reason to be that rude. That thing could have simply been said by saying "incorrect" and then specifying how I was incorrect, instead of calling me stupid. But then, well, I'll leave it at that.

2: This is exactly what I dont understand. (Don't call me stupid again. This time explain.)

3: But the taste of Maggi is not of taste, but of lead contained in it.

4: Ignore #2, as you have already explained. This could, however be done without calling me stupid. But nevertheless.
Also, I'm slightly sceptical of the logic, so I'll probably wait for some medical student/doctor on the forum to confirm or deny. Again I'm not saying that you are wrong. Don't call me stupid. Plz. All I'm saying is I'm unconvinced.
 
dxkiller said:
This is nothing but conspiracy to push nestle out of india and make way for indian brands.Maggi has been eaten for 30+ years now in india.There is no lead in it its just governmental bullshit.
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which indian brands are you talking about? last i checked the rivals to "nestle maggi" were knorr( hul), top ramen (nissin) , smith n jones (global foods) & foodles (gsk).

so all these cos are MNC's just like nestle, unless you too have fallen to the fake propaganda of patanjali noodles
 
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dpandey said:
I donot know much about EU, but I have done some reading on US food scene. Food (and Biotech) companies are just plain evil. The have become masters of lobbying, deceptive practices and fooling customers.

It was an American named Ancel Keys who promoted the myth that low fat food is good for health and heart (he is the originator of the 'low-fat' craze). The man who held the opposite point of view, a Brit named John Yudkin, was out-shouted and Keys' flawed recommendations got into textbooks all over the world. The food companies, whose only concern is taste, responded by creating 'low-fat' line of products which had high quantities of sugar. The results: per-capita consumption of sugar in US is > 50Kg per year. The incidence of heart disease has not reduced and people (especially the poorer ones) are getting fatter and sick.

During my last health check up, the dietician asked me reduce my meat and fat intake :) I told her to f*** off and walked out.

Here is another evidence of how screwed the system is. The food pyramid, which is a eating recommended by the govt, is published by the US department of agriculture. Needless to say, the recommendations are motivated by their desire to sell the agricultural produce.

[DOUBLEPOST=1433601275][/DOUBLEPOST]Some more tidbit. In spite of popular demand, US does not require food companies to label GMO derived foods. No one wants to touch the likes of Monsanto and Du Pont.
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I couldn't agree more with your post. The brainwashing of fat is bad that has been done to people is mind boggling. For the last few months, my dietary intake has been 70% fat, 25% protein, 5% or below carbs.

Unlike popular opinion which says i should have ballooned up, I've ended up losing 12 kilos of weight. I'm fitter, healthier and happier. What people do not realize is that carbs and sugars are what kills them not fat.
 
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Chaos said:
I couldn't agree more with your post. The brainwashing of fat is bad that has been done to people is mind boggling. For the last few months, my dietary intake has been 70% fat, 25% protein, 5% or below carbs.

Unlike popular opinion which says i should have ballooned up, I've ended up losing 12 kilos of weight. I'm fitter, healthier and happier. What people do not realize is that carbs and sugars are what kills them not fat.
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Everything in the right proportions as per your life style. The body needs all of these and its even wrong to say that carbs and sugars kill people. You need abnormally high consumption of carbs and sugars to disrupt insulin levels and cause diabetes in the long run. In fact, people who go on a deliberate diets and avoid all forms of carbs and sugars are more easily prone to get diabetes than those who take them normally or maybe even a bit of excess. That sort of sugar starvation can also result in brain damage which is irreversible.

When I was in Chandigarh, a doctors camp was setup for employees and most of the girls at office who followed rigorous diets to maintain their paper thin figures were found to have been in early stage of diabetes. That doctor also held a session explaining how dieting causes diabetes.
 
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Lord Nemesis said:
Everything in the right proportions as per your life style. The body needs all of these and its even wrong to say that carbs and sugars kill people. You need abnormally high consumption of carbs and sugars to disrupt insulin levels and cause diabetes in the long run. In fact, people who go on a deliberate diets and avoid all forms of carbs and sugars are more easily prone to get diabetes than those who take them normally or maybe even a bit of excess. That sort of sugar starvation can also result in brain damage which is irreversible.

When I was in Chandigarh, a doctors camp was setup for employees and most of the girls at office who followed rigorous diets to maintain their paper thin figures were found to have been in early stage of diabetes. That doctor also held a session explaining how dieting causes diabetes.
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Don't take what a doctor says at face value - most of them know jack about nutrition. Complex carbs aka fibers are good for the body. Sugars and gluten only ends up being metabolised and stored as excess body fat.

As far I am concerned, I have diabetes running in the family and was borderline diabetic with fasting sugar in the range of 110-120. Now the same thing is 70 or less. As always YMMV.

We are going way OT here btw.
 
Well apparently Singapore tests confirmed its safe. Not sure which maggi they tested but reportedly "taken" from india not "exported" maggi.[DOUBLEPOST=1433987690][/DOUBLEPOST]Talking of sleeping pills i've tried 2x Avomin (i dont remember the mg) a few times in the past because one didn't do. During my insane road travels on buses. Knocked me out. Lol[DOUBLEPOST=1433987826][/DOUBLEPOST]Yippee and that noodles from Horlicks (?) suck btw.
 
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Lord Nemesis said:
^^ Look I don't even like Maggi. I haven't eaten it in 12 years. More than the Masala, I hate the quality of the noodles bundled with Maggi.

But I have no qualms in believing that its a govt conspiracy. I even agree that many of these food options contain harmful substances. But why the selective exposure and action even if the claims are true?

What about all the other processed food options?

Every street food vendor to 5 star restaurant uses MSG in large quantities. Maggi is nothing compared to that. If govt were really standing for public safety interests, majority of the eateries would have been shut down.

As for lead, I hope people realize that the so called "vark" or "silver foil" used by most of the sweets shops is in fact lead for the most part and all these sweets shops should have been shut down.

For anybody thinking about food hazards, there are so many other things that come before maggi, but the politicians have some personal and political reasons for going after Nestle in particular.

Its similar to how they went after greenpeace to protect their own black money investments.
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I have a hard time with these type of rebuttals.

1) You are saying that its Ok for maggi to have harmful items in it because other food stuffs have it too? Surely then one less harmful food off the shelf is a good thing? 9 harmful things on a shelf > 10 harmful things on it?

2) You are holding street food vendors to the same standards that you would hold a multi Billion dollar company when it comes to hygene? When people go eat at a street food stall there is a certain amount of "caveat emptor" thought process going on. A mother will feed her 7 year old maggi but she wont buy him sweets from a roadside shop. There is a reason behind that thought process. Most people know what kind of hygiene to expect from each place. And most people expect better from a company that earns billions of dollars. They day my local Sharma sweets has ads on TV and a revenue larger than most African countries I will hold them to Maggi's standards.

3) A clean up process in our packaged foods has to start somewhere. If it was Ruffles Lays chips being held accountable you could easily use the same excuses there. So basically no food stuff can ever be targeted to ensure its clean because it would be the first and there are others that do the same?

I get that our politicians are corrupt. And I understand that there is a possibility that Maggi is being selectively targeted. But if their food is harmful then basically **** them. Its their food thats being fed to our kids. Its their job to make sure its healthy. I dont care if Top Ramen is just as bad and if it its I hope their day comes soon too rather than hoping Maggie gets a clean chit.

They dont get to use the same excuse I used when I got low marks in Maths "But dad the exam was difficult. The whole class scored low".
 
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1. I would rather have 10 harmful things with the knowledge that they may be harmful than than have 9 harmful things under the false assurances that they are harmless.

2. Yes, I hold the street vendors to the same standards. A packl of Maggi costs what 12 or 15 Rs Now? How many kinds of street food can you get for that kind of cost? Your average street food is costlier than Maggi.

3. I would rather that the clean up process start from our Street food and restaurant food. People in India rely on Street food and restaurant food more than packaged food and there are no standards at all and there is no low to how bad these things can get. Now many people know that every street vendor uses MSG in large quantities. Do you know that your 1~2 Rs samosas that are sold in almost every city are fried in oil extracted from rotten meat and other discarded animal parts.

The point about Maggi is that I have no confidence in the tests results being provided by our govt agencies. A few states tested and says that its harmful and others test and others test and state that its completely harmless. In some states like Mine, it was banned without any testing at all just so that the politicos can score some brownie points quickly. Singapore and other few other independent testings says that its harmless.

What people are not realizing is that it costs money to make the product separately for different countries. A corporate would not do that unless there is a strong motivation to do so. Do people expect me to believe that They make Maggi separately for Singpore and India in the same factories. What they going to do? Add extra lead and MSG for the batches meant for India. For things like Maggi, it makes sense for them to make the product to uniform standards as it lends them a lot of flexibility.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
What people are not realizing is that it costs money to make the product separately for different countries. A corporate would not do that unless there is a strong motivation to do so. Do people expect me to believe that They make Maggi separately for Singpore and India in the same factories.
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have you ever seen or tasted indian maggi exported to the US? it has different labels, more warnings and it tastes way different. yes, we indians have double standards.

and haven't you seen indian car manufacturers making better vehicles for foreign markets? they are made in india!
 
Lord Nemesis said:
What people are not realizing is that it costs money to make the product separately for different countries. A corporate would not do that unless there is a strong motivation to do so. Do people expect me to believe that They make Maggi separately for Singpore and India in the same factories. What they going to do? Add extra lead and MSG for the batches meant for India. For things like Maggi, it makes sense for them to make the product to uniform standards as it lends them a lot of flexibility.
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Unlike India other countries dont just ban the product. Individuals sue the company, the govt cancells the license and slaps a huge penalty. food regulations are not as lenient in other countries like in India.
 
^^ Which is why I mentioned that there must be strong motivation for them to manufacture separately. I still don't buy the argument that they would make separate batches for India with extra lead and MSG even if they are made separately. May a one of QC issue with a particular batch is possible.

India apparently has no explicit country specific standards with regard to products like instant noodles. We follow the WHO recognized standards as outlined in Codex International standard 249. So instant noodles have to be made to an Universal international standard.

Maybe US has a separate set of standards that are more stringent than WHO recognized standards and hence batches for that country made separately, but what about Singapore. Do they also have separate standards.

From What I read from various sources, Nestle states that Maggi in India does not even contain MSG. However the taste maker contains natural sources of Glutamate. However apparently, many of our Indian labs tested are not sophisticated enough to identify the source of each material. So, they assumed that all Glutamate is an indication of MSG and concluded that there is MSG in proportion to the amount of glutamate they found. As for lead testing, that is even more unclear.
 
AMG said:
Actually I didn't comrehend the logic behind what you were saying. And there was no reason to be that rude. That thing could have simply been said by saying "incorrect" and then specifying how I was incorrect, instead of calling me stupid. But then, well, I'll leave it at that.

2: This is exactly what I dont understand. (Don't call me stupid again. This time explain.)

3: But the taste of Maggi is not of taste, but of lead contained in it.

4: Ignore #2, as you have already explained. This could, however be done without calling me stupid. But nevertheless.
Also, I'm slightly sceptical of the logic, so I'll probably wait for some medical student/doctor on the forum to confirm or deny. Again I'm not saying that you are wrong. Don't call me stupid. Plz. All I'm saying is I'm unconvinced.
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Read the below link. It will convince and is pretty conclusive on the maggi episode

http://scroll.in/article/733305/mag...-why-doesnt-everyone-in-china-have-a-headache

"I agree with Nestlé’s contention. After all, the FSSAI’s own regulations differentiate between condiments and concentrates on the one hand, and ready-to-eat or ready-to-drink items on the other. Beverages like Coke and Pepsi are allowed a maximum of 0.5 ppm lead, whereas soft drink concentrates are permitted four times as much of the heavy metal. Dehydrated onions, turmeric powder, dried herbs, exactly the kinds of things that go into a tastemaker sachet, have a maximum permissible lead concentration of 10 ppm, far higher than the allowance for bulkier staples."
 
Wish with this rigor they cleaned the garbage in India. Street food is far worse than Maggi, and all gobble it like gluttons. Yuck. Specially that Gol Gappa water. I feel like barfing when I see people gorging on street food standing next to garbage heaps along with mongrel dogs. Gross. The sellers are such a filthy lot. Once I saw a full platter of chowmein topple to the ground. You can guess what happened next.
 
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