So whose Bombay is it anyway?

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Funky said:
nope, this is a online forum not my SAT /Toefl exam :P I did pretty well in those ;)
@scz well its a new trend amongst parents these days to insist on English medium school or international school. Its proven that a child benefits more learning in this mother tongue than any other language.
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Thats quite a load of B.S crap!

I speak 3 south Indian langauges. I dont use any of them where I work.. so what benefit did that give me?? I rarely speak any of these langauges.. I dont see any of them helping me anywhere I go or in the field where I work.

Tell me something funky, if you care soo much about your mother tongue why do you buy an english newpaper? Or watch english news? Wont it be better to watch the same in your own langauge?
 
Supra said:
Its because u had the resources to pursue all other extra study/courses. Nt everybody can afford that . Its nt abt Maharshtra only, in some states its like English starts from Std III or even V sometime back.Btw it makes only sense if u have proper literatures in the language. Cmon dnt tell me nw u would have pursued ur degree in Marathi as well.....anyway by studying the language for 5-6 yrs u r nt going to preserve local language and culture.
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You will preserve the language for sure.

And there are countless people here who study their degrees in Marathi. Marathi is part of many commerce and Arts degree courses. There is a BA with marathi here.

There are plenty of people in our country who complete their education in one of the regional languages. My father studied in marathi until he joined the degree program. My entire family has Marathi school background. Half of them are doctors, 2 of us are engineers, 1 is MBA working in city group, 2 of my cousins are in Infosys.

Our schooling background never created problem for us. Actually we did better than most English medium students in English in 12th because the amount of efforts we took to learn an unknown language from 5th to 10th std made our grammar better than most of other students.

There was a study conducted in colleges in those days which clearly showed vernacular medium student do really well in colleges even when they are switching from a different language to complete English education.

Sandy said:
Thats quite a load of B.S crap!

I speak 3 south Indian langauges. I dont use any of them where I work.. so what benefit did that give me?? I rarely speak any of these langauges.. I dont see any of them helping me anywhere I go or in the field where I work.

Tell me something funky, if you care soo much about your mother tongue why do you buy an english newpaper? Or watch english news? Wont it be better to watch the same in your own langauge?
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lol please care to do a little google search online before calling it a BS if you havent come across results of various studies all around the world. just search for bilingual children mother tongue.

Its not about using them at work. Its about child development.
 
Check my post....did I say it has any affect on your career. What I and others are asking is that learning Marathi for those years ...whats the thing that has helped. How could it help the tradition & the culture all r talking abt. Anyway u knew the language by birth ...so what is extra with that reading/writing skills?Sometimes think from the purview of floating population as well which might as well compromise to 40% of Mumbai population
 
There's nothing wrong in learning one's mother tongue. But why force it on everyone? Thats the basic question.
 
^^ahhh...now that was an amazingly sensible post

Funky said:
Its proven that a child benefits more learning in this mother tongue than any other language.
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Funky said:
Actually we did better than most English medium students in English in 12th because the amount of efforts we took to learn an unknown language from 5th to 10th std made our grammar better than most of other students.
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see a disconnect there in the logic...eh?
 
Chaos said:
There's nothing wrong in learning one's mother tongue. But why force it on everyone? Thats the basic question.
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Its the same reason as to why we are forced to learn English in the end as honestly these days we dont have choice. British surely took care of that. Its not like state government is forcing you to learn everything in Marathi. Its just 50 marks single paper for English medium schools.

You have 2 language papers anyway. Its either 100 marks marathi or 50-50 split between marathi and hindi.

Its common practice in most of the states.

If the state dept does not make sure people learn the state language, who will??

@ Sandy, dude who informed you I dont read Marathi papers and news??

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Chaos said:
^^Yamaraj I suggest that you please go through Elements of Style.
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Lack of proper clothing is often mistaken for latest fashion trends and style.

Arre, don't mind my leg-pulling attempts. I enjoy doing this, sometimes. :ohyeah:
 
No choices here......and no hope also in future....u can already guess by what ppl r expecting here.
 
Funky said:
Its the same reason as to why we are forced to learn English in the end as honestly these days we dont have choice. British surely took care of that. Its not like state government is forcing you to learn everything in Marathi. Its just 50 marks single paper for English medium schools.

You have 2 language papers anyway. Its either 100 marks marathi or 50-50 split between marathi and hindi.
Its common practice in most of the states.

If the state dept does not make sure people learn the state language, who will??
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One is forced to learn English as its become universal - Learn or be left behind. There's no such predicament in case of Marathi. Why force a non native who has no interest to learn the state language go through ten years of forced learning? If someone is interested, he or she may go ahead and spend as much time learning Marathi as he or she may wish. Actually its not just marathi... lots of states have their own political agendas being pumped into school textbooks. Its just ridiculous.
 
No choices here......and no hope also in future....u can already guess by what ppl r expecting here.
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It's almost tragic ..

If the supposedly educated folks in this nation possess a mindset as closed as this, who can blame the poor folks who run around in mobs at the behest of C grade politicians
 
Chaos said:
One is forced to learn English as its become universal - Learn or be left behind. There's no such predicament in case of Marathi. Why force a non native who has no interest to learn the state language go through ten years of forced learning? If someone is interested, he or she may go ahead and spend as much time learning Marathi as he or she may wish. Actually its not just marathi... lots of states have their own political agendas being pumped into school textbooks. Its just ridiculous.
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Why shouldnt a local government take steps to preserve its state language. We dont have interest in many things, does that mean we get to skip those subjects at the school level??

Here is the root of the problem again in your post. Why should non native have any issue with just 1 local language in the school? Is it because you are non native? You wouldn't show that much respect to local language?

After reading all this I sometimes see what kind of damage british occupation did to our society where we are seeing such negative remarks about our local language. All the european, south american and most other asian countries have all their education in their mother tongues. And here we are debating why should a local language be a part of educational system :no:
 
All the european, south american and most other asian countries have all their education in their mother tongues.
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Again comapre.....try to get the thing that they have a max of 2-3 languages there(in fact many have only 1)....not like 20-40 we have in our country.

And here we are debating why should a local language be a part of educational system
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Well I am seeing it as one side debate only :P

Just for the heck of studying is of no use(or for the sake I was in that state)....if one cant help to understand this...ALAS nothing can be done ! WHy its all abt state....its seeming as if state is more than the country. Just damn elect ur own caste or whatever king then & let monarchy rule rather than in democracy
 
Here is the root of the problem again in your post. Why should non native have any issue with just 1 local language in the school? Is it because you are non native? You wouldn't show that much respect to local language?
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WTF....Thats an absolutely ridiculous argument

SO everyone kid in Bihar should be forced to learn Bhojpuri or every child in UP should be forced to learn Avadhi?

If the child or his/her parents choose to let him/her learn it, well & fine, but who am I or the politicians to decide that on behalf of the child?

I live in Tamilnadu (been here for the last 3 years), and No, I can't speak Tamil...does not mean I don't respect it...

I enjoy Ilaiyaraja songs as much as Freaky would...

I detest tam soap-operas as much as Saiyan would...

I drool over Kollywood babes as much as Vince would....

and I enjoy watching the ocasional good tam flick as much as Eddy would (though I watch it subbed)

At the same time, If I had a child, I wouldn't want her to spend time learning Tamil as a course in school simply because it has no value for her in her future
 
With all due respect, the British Raj only helped unite this country - which was segmented and fragmented into dozens of regional islands, if not more. I agree with Chaos that non-natives must not be forced to learn local languages. Time and energy wasted on learning different languages can be channeled and focused on something really productive for everyone's benefit.

The British didn't even bother with regional languages, and yet their colonies were as successful and integrated as any other empire history has ever witnessed.
 
Supra said:
Again comapre.....try to get the thing that they have a max of 2-3 languages there....not like 20-40 we have in our country.

Well I am seeing it as one side debate only :P
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So thats why just 1 regional language is must in the syllabus and not all of them.
I even think our national language Hindi should be a part of schooling in all schools.

And all those who started posting about Maharashtra govt policy of having marathi as a part of syllabus are conveniently non Marathi speaking people :P
Like chaos said, its a common practice in all states and like it or not, its here to stay and there will always be people who will support this.

All political parties will also make sure of that because like it or not the major votebank in the region is always locals. And people are sentimental in the end.
 
And all those who started posting about Maharashtra govt policy of having marathi as a part of syllabus are conveniently non Marathi speaking people

Like chaos said, its a common practice in all states and like it or not, its here to stay and there will always be people who will support this.
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Agreed, and that points towards a problem with this otherwise great nation....

and when even the educated, supposedly elite folks support it, the problem degenerates into a tragic state of affairs....

sorry Bombay/Mumbai folks, my image of your city as a cosmopolitan place just went down the drain....
 
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